POS never had it...just $hit. That's all he has.

DrMaddVibe wrote:

I get that. For me debating is a chance to research stuff and get out of my own head, mostly.

HuckFinn wrote:

Delta, It is not a big deal to me either. Truly. But it pizzes me off that so many on the left refuse to acknowledge the'illegality' of being here without legal permission....not talking about here so much...I expect illogical rants here...but I want better from my elected representatives and 'expert' commentators

dstieger wrote:

Same here. I'm not actively trying to offend anyone here .

Phil222 wrote:

you'll get over that soon enough. Give it time.

victor809 wrote:

If your parents were trying to escape poverty or tyranny or genocide and snuck in, would you'd be asking that same question?
There but for the grace of God go I.

HuckFinn wrote:

If you want to change the laws, petition your representative.

In the meantime, laws should mean something. We can't pick and choose.
Especially just because it "feels good".

Even reading your post makes me throw up in my mouth a little bit. It's disgusting.
Your post. Not the throw up. that's actually pretty good. I had ribs yesterday.

tailgater wrote:

As for the traffic voliolation...
There are a number of people on this forum who have bragged about asking friends to let them off the hook.
I believe just recently someone bragged about having an annual police BBQ and how they don't get any moving infractions because of it.

The members of this forum have historically bought and sold and traded Cuban cigars which is probably the same level of crime in the books.... there is little concern for what the "law" is as long as it is convenient. But someone in this country who's not supposed to be? Suddenly the law is super important.

I'm not particularly vested in these DACA people. But I dislike poor arguments.

victor809 wrote:

If you want to change the laws, petition your representative.

In the meantime, laws should mean something.

tailgater wrote:

So an individual is given a break on a speeding ticket.
Therefore, let's open the borders.

Talk about poor arguments.


Everyone tries to get out of tickets. But when they fail, they gotta shrug and hope for better luck next time. Doesn't mean they want the laws removed from the books.

We either have laws, or we don't.

Anecdotal braggadocio doesn't define an issue.

tailgater wrote:

Common sense would dictate that we need more immigrants than less. As boomers leave the work force faster than youngsters join it social security and Medicare are putting out more money and taking in less. Immigrants can fill this gap.

Speyside wrote:

DACA kids actually registered, that's how we know who they are specifically.

And I can't quote specific numbers, but these aren't the illegals costing money at all. The opposite is true.

An enormous percent have completed high school and beyond, served in OUR military, and have paid their full share of taxes.

I have a problem with children being considered criminals because of their parents, though I understand your feeling that illegal is illegal...but wouldn't you agree with me that these kids have grown up to be pretty much what we want immigrants to become in America? Positive forces, earning and paying their way and actually outperforming kids born here?
...............................Ummmmm NO. again there's no proof of what you say, and to use American kids born and raised here LEGALLY and saythese brats are outperforming them....again I say show me the proof. And why would they not want to go back to Mother Mexico and use that FREE edumication to improve THEIR country.


We know neither of us will change, but it's a good debate.

frankj1 wrote:

you really don't know the info about the 800,000 who signed up, do you?

frankj1 wrote:

That's BS. You make a full stop at every stop sign? Ever smoke weed? Play some poker in someone's home for $? Use someone's wi-fi? Speed? Forget to put on your seatbelt? Lesse.
Pee outside? Nm...

It's when laws are broken that get too close to our fears or prejudices that we get all legal.
You waited until you were 18 to have your first beer? Nope. Cheers!

HuckFinn wrote: