TMCTLT
8 years ago

It may just be misdemeanor the first time but many have been deported and returned making them felons now... And it may not be a big deal if a couple dozen snuck in ever month or so... We're talking millions of people.. and many of them find their way into the system drawing the welfare, healthcare and even drivers licenses.. it won't be long until they are allowed to vote if we don't stop this... 😟

DrafterX wrote:





That's the really rich part Drafter....they don't have to " find their way " they ARE directed to every government office that has been purposely set up to recieve them and give them tax payer assistance. they just forgot to ask We The People....if we'd mind.
frankj1
8 years ago

That's the really rich part Drafter....they don't have to " find their way " they ARE directed to every government office that has been purposely set up to recieve them and give them tax payer assistance. they just forgot to ask We The People....if we'd mind.

TMCTLT wrote:


i think the discussion has become mixed up due to folks not understanding there are two separate issues...DACA extension or not, and all other immigration reform.

Paul, I'm gonna combine a couple quotes and reply...

Actually, I personally know you have compassion. I know about you a little off the forum, and I am not talking about compassion as a bleeding heart way to deal with DACA.

Also, we would know if they are bleeding the system because they have agreed to register and have been followed. There are easy to find figures regarding how many have been disqualified from any protection and what they did or did not do to lose protection, how many have graduated at different levels of school, how many have served in the Armed Forces, how they have compared to kids born and raised here both scholastically and earnings-wise...and that the overall effect has been a gain in the economy, not a drain.

Other illegals hiding out of sight, well I agree we can't really know the stats.

If the issue for you is none of that matters cuz they came in wrong (albeit having no choice but to stay with parents) then that's how you feel.

To me, that's a good debate.
teedubbya
8 years ago
That’s the difficult part about dealing with our government from the inside or out.

I’ve always wondered why our allies deal with us (other than we are rich and strong). We say one thing and promise something then a few years later we can do an about face and do the opposite. We can’t really be trusted. If I was another country dealing with us I wouldn’t trust us.

It’s like we built in a short term view rather than a long term strategic view. China may make us pay for this.

In the DACA case, of the illegals these are the ones trying to do it right. They agreed to cone out of the dark and register. But our legislators have let them down. Both parties. Their illegal buddies who didn’t trust the government and didn’t register are laughing at them.

Our government often doesn’t keep its word. There are examples of this throughout our history. I think we are the best country in the world but it’s one of the faults in our model.

I am for securing the boarder. I’m also for deporting illegals immediately when found. The draining of funds by illegals is overstated and bogus as stated in here which amuses me but I am for zero spending on them. Zero.

But this group did the right thing and I believe to be the unfortunate pawns in a game. These are not the ones hiding in the shadows nor the boogie man. They deserve to be treated with respect and yes compassion.

That’s why I’m for a path to permanent status if they do everything right. Not citizenship necessarily (haven’t made up my mind) but perminant status. I also think that’s why 80% of folks do

DrafterX
8 years ago
Except for Victor.. he hates the illegals... 😟
victor809
8 years ago
Psh... I heard that Victor guy hates everyone.

Signed,
Victor808
dstieger
8 years ago
Not every day Victor tells you you're right. Raise a glass, X
HuckFinn
8 years ago
I love mankind… It's people I can't stand.
Charles M. Schulz
DrafterX
8 years ago
Ya.. people suck... 😟
frankj1
8 years ago
I love peoples...go figure
DrafterX
8 years ago
I love some peoples... 😟
delta1
8 years ago
yah, peoples as a concept are good...actual peoples smell bad...
RMAN4443
8 years ago

yah, peoples as a concept are good...actual peoples smell bad...

delta1 wrote:


HR woman where I work smells Nice8-[ ........ooops, I can probably get in trouble for saying that......nevermind#-o
teedubbya
8 years ago
H.R. Puffinstuff?
RMAN4443
8 years ago

H.R. Puffinstuff?

teedubbya wrote:


I'd say I wish she'd play my magic flute, but that would be wrong8-[
HuckFinn
8 years ago
Yeah, don't say it.
RMAN4443
8 years ago

Yeah, don't say it.

HuckFinn wrote:


I would never. ..8-[
tailgater
8 years ago

Not what I said and you know it.
illegally entering the country is a misdemeanor.
Everyone is super determined to point out the "illegal" part of illegal immigration.

But guess what. Same people brag about committing misdemeanors here.... from buying cubans, to reckless driving, to even the great drunk driving thread wars of whatever year that was. The bragging is about how they got away with it.

It's stupid. If they didn't use "it's illegal!!!" as the argument, I wouldn't bother bringing up the fact that they don't care about other times that matters. There are plenty of other rational arguments to use regarding not allowing illegal immigrants.

If you use a "keep it simple" (ie stupid) argument, then you have to ensure you haven't boiled it down to such a level of simplicity that is irrelevant.

victor809 wrote:



First, I did think it was a felony, but you are right. It's a misdemeanor. Thank you.

With that said, you're confusing the issue.
People will always bend, twist or break laws. Especially "minor" ones.
But when they are caught, they pay the piper. that's all I'm saying here.
You seem to be arguing that we should ignore illegal entry because Jo-blo bought a cuban. It's a false argument. The two are separate. And each hold a penalty.
I just want it enforced.




DrafterX
8 years ago
It's a misdemeanor the first time... If they come back they are felons.. I'd bet way over half of the illegals are felons... How many do we deport everyday..?? 😕
HuckFinn
8 years ago

It's a misdemeanor the first time... If they come back they are felons.. I'd bet way over half of the illegals are felons.😕

DrafterX wrote:


Bet ya 2 burrito
tailgater
8 years ago

Burrito over taco?

Not that there's anything wrong with that.



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