cacman
8 years ago
^^^ The Needs of the Many Outweigh the Needs of the Few

Read Dickens.
frankj1
8 years ago

Wtf does one have to do with other..?? 😕


It was a failure on many peoples but a conspiracy..?? Really..?? 😕

DrafterX wrote:


done deal.
Speyside
8 years ago
Ok, that sounds crazy, but do did the Tuskegee Syphilis Study, and MK Ultra.
cacman
8 years ago

Ok, that sounds crazy, but do did the Tuskegee Syphilis Study, and MK Ultra.

Speyside wrote:


Yes it sounds crazy. Just as crazy as the US guberment allowing the sale of cocaine to fund an illegal war. Ask Gary Webb.

Many forget Air America
paulkeck
8 years ago

Will throw this out there for the conspiracy theorists:

Maybe, just maybe, the guberment ignored the numerous tips and warning signs and "allowed" this incident to happen to further promote their gun control agenda???

Heck, the Catholic Church and Red Cross aided in the escape of numerous Nazi war criminals. Josef Mengel was married in a Catholic Church under his own name (not an alias) in South America, and allowed to live a full life until he died of natural causes in 1979.

The Obama administration held up Broward’s transformed discipline system as a national model.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/teachers-say-florida-shooters-problems-started-in-middle-school-and-the-system-tried-to-help-him/2018/02/18/cdff7aa6-1413-11e8-9065-e55346f6de81_story.html 

cacman wrote:


Some might call you crazy....but I wouldn't put it past big business
teedubbya
8 years ago
They eliminated the need to have any training or classes for cc licenses in my state. I took some anyway because I was interested. In the state next to me you don’t need a cc license at all. It’s a god given right. In this case god is the legislature.

I haven’t seen any movements to eliminate training from the police forces yet.

I suppose it is possible a cc civilian is more knowledgeable and more prepared than the popo. But to me that would be a problem with the popo rather than the glory of the cc civi. I also don’t buy it statistically or logically. I’m sure there is an example or two as an anomaly based on being humans though.


My shooting instructor does train thelocal PD and does say they are terrible shots though. He also likes to point out the holes in the walls, shooting bays, ceilings and target holders that came from the police. He likes to poke fun at them because he was one of them and thinks they are knuckleheads. I don’t trust them as far as I can throw them and had an unfortunate incident with them where they were wrong and it took me forever to show/prove it to them. There was a point where they didn’t want the truth, just to be right and got very aggressive about it. Much like political arguments in here lol.

I’m not saying all popo are good shots that’s for sure. I’m also not saying they practice good gun safety or are good under pressure. But I’d hope there is at least a little weeding out. I’d also hope they are better than the guy next to me at the range yesterday that kept waving the muzzle of his new CZ scorpion accross all of the bays while excitedly showing it to his buddies.

I stopped shooting and told him he pointed it at me twice. He said it wasn’t loaded and not to worry about it. I told him again not to point it at me and he said but it’s not loaded. I told him to treat it like it’s loaded and he just frowned at me. Then he loaded it and shot it. When he finished (I was leaving because I didn’t want to be there and get shot, plus I’d shot 650 rounds already) he laid the scorpion at his feet pointed at the concrete half wall in front of him.

I told the range officer on my way out. He said he’d say something when the dude left. I told him I hope that’s not too late. It’s not my normal range and I won’t go back.
DrMaddVibe
8 years ago

Sudafed used to contain pseudoephedrine. Was used to make meth.
Sudafed replaced it with something else that is hardly effective I understand.
Pseudoephedrine is a prescription drug almost only now. Not sure if you can get it otherwise.

HuckFinn wrote:



Just go to the pharmacist in any large box drug store. You have to show ID and you're limited on how much you can buy, but you can still get it. Always could.
DrMaddVibe
8 years ago

Yes it sounds crazy. Just as crazy as the US guberment allowing the sale of cocaine to fund an illegal war. Ask Gary Webb.

Many forget Air America

cacman wrote:




or Mena AK where a backwoods governor ran his state like a well oiled octopus with a hand in every pocket unseated a sitting President because he found their cookie jar!
teedubbya
8 years ago
Back to sudafed did it do anything to slow production or can I quit giving my licens to get it already?

Or is it more of a way to create a suspects list?
DrMaddVibe
8 years ago

Back to sudafed did it do anything to slow production or can I quit giving my licens to get it already?

Or is it more of a way to create a suspects list?

teedubbya wrote:




Nope...gotta show license. Welcome to the world where we have to cater to a select few that chose to make meth with it in their trailers vs the masses that just wanted to breath without congestion.

Suspect's list? Whatever.
Abrignac
8 years ago

I agree this "resource officer" dropped the ball.
But I'm not sure his job was to intervene during a school shooting. I think anthony has some knowledge of what a resource officer is expected to do at a school, but I was under the impression they are more to make sure kids aren't dealing drugs or little things like that.

Would it have been great if he chose that moment to be a hero? yeah... that would have totally been his moment.

But I don't really see a problem with this timeline.

victor809 wrote:



After every school shooting we would have a training session and debrief the the incident and try to learn how we could respond to that situation if it happened in one of our schools.

As far as an active shooter, SRO's are taught to RUN towards him. In order to be an SRO, an officer must be prepared to sacrifice himself to do everything in his power to prevent his students from danger.

The officer is a pussy and has disgraced himself, his family and his agency. He should have COWARD branded on his forehead.

Abrignac
8 years ago

I sorta got the "he called it in and secured the perimeter.....blah blah blah" ...but I've dismissed it until/unless I get more 'mitigating' info -- as it is now, I consider him a coward who might well have saved some lives if he'd done his job...or even just done what's right

dstieger wrote:



In this case the perimeter he should have been securing was the small circle of real estate where the shooter was standing.
DrMaddVibe
8 years ago

After every school shooting we would have a training session and debrief the the incident and try to learn how we could respond to that situation if it happened in one of our schools.

As far as an active shooter, SRO's are taught to RUN towards him. In order to be an SRO, an officer must be prepared to sacrifice himself to do everything in his power to prevent his students from danger.

The officer is a pussy and has disgraced himself, his family and his agency. He should have COWARD branded on his forehead.

Abrignac wrote:



Oh, he's not alone!

http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/23/four-deputies-waited-outside-stoneman-douglas/ 

That sheriff is a walking talking assbag. He's TOAST!

I personally believe they should be fired. Stripped of any and all possibility of ever keeping a pension and the right to ever carry a gun again.
Abrignac
8 years ago

Not really.
I don't necessarily think arming teachers is a good idea. I think that builds in an additional job responsibility which they simply aren't currently paid enough for. (not currently paid enough for their existing responsibilities). Nor do I really think that the teachers who are gung ho about being armed would be the ones I would think would have proper fire control under an active shooter situation. You will likely not have to wait long until a news report identifies a teacher shot by police reacting, or a teacher shooting an unarmed student during an incident.

But... hell... that'd make fun news. go ahead and arm them. I think it's dumb, but I'm willing to see how that plays out. should be amusing.

victor809 wrote:



Teachers aren't paid enough to put up with the bull**** the put up with. But, since teachers are also being shot, I think those with proper training would welcome the opportunity to be able to defend themselves and their students.
teedubbya
8 years ago

Nope...gotta show license. Welcome to the world where we have to cater to a select few that chose to make meth with it in their trailers vs the masses that just wanted to breath without congestion.

Suspect's list? Whatever.

DrMaddVibe wrote:




You misunderstood me I think. I know I still need to show my license. That was my whole point. Show me it has done something or let’s go back to the way it was.

Yea part of the reason for the license is to compile a list of folks going store to store stockpiling. A suspects list. I’d like to know if that’s worked. If not let’s go back to how it was before.

I want my little red pills LOL.
DrMaddVibe
8 years ago

You misunderstood me I think. I know I still need to show my license. That was my whole point. Show me it has done something or let’s go back to the way it was.

Yea part of the reason for the license is to compile a list of folks going store to store stockpiling. A suspects list. I’d like to know if that’s worked. If not let’s go back to how it was before.

I want my little red pills LOL.

teedubbya wrote:




That's just crazy talk. Show me where the government has walked anything back!
teedubbya
8 years ago

Teachers aren't paid enough to put up with the bull**** the put up with. But, since teachers are also being shot, I think those with proper training would welcome the opportunity to be able to defend themselves and their students.

Abrignac wrote:




Some definitely would. If I was teaching I might, or probably would. Others wouldn’t (like the vocal ones in FL, not to be confused with all). Others are freaked out and scared of guns in general. I often forget how much they scare and freak some out.


Abrig glad you stepped in to this one. I respect your judgement. What’s you take on the Prez saying teachers love kids more than resource officers?
Abrignac
8 years ago

So Gene, I understand the entire article, but what could have been done legally. Up to the point of the shooting he had committed no crime. Obviously someone should have made the decision to involuntary commit him. But what could have the FBI or local LEO'S have done legally? I would put this on whoever evaluated him. But perhaps their evaluation at the time was correct.

Speyside wrote:



There are two tools in Louisiana which address this.

1) CEC = Coroner's Emergency Certificate. Basically a warrant issued by the coroner directing the Sheriff to deliver the mentioned individual to a forensic facility for a mental health evaluation

2) PEC = Physician's Emergency Certificate. Pretty much the same thing, but issued by a licensed physician.
teedubbya
8 years ago

That's just crazy talk. Show me where the government has walked anything back!

DrMaddVibe wrote:



They walked back the assault rifle ban

But I get what you are saying and agree. That’s what I’m saying. PDSA rinse repeat isn’t a normal government function.
teedubbya
8 years ago

There are two tools in Louisiana which address this.

1) CEC = Coroner's Emergency Certificate. Basically a warrant issued by the coroner directing the Sheriff to deliver the mentioned individual to a forensic facility for a mental health evaluation

2) PEC = Physician's Emergency Certificate. Pretty much the same thing, but issued by a licensed physician.

Abrignac wrote:




What situation is the coroner involved in? Grieving to the point of danger to self or others?
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