delta1
8 years ago

Hahaha that is nowhere near the facts! California Illinois and Dc have some of the strictest gun laws in the US....you can honestly with a straight face tell me they have less fun deaths than say Texas or Arizona or New Mexico?

paulkeck wrote:




yea...here is a Center for Disease Control map of gun mortality by state...CA has a high total, because it has many more people, but the per capita rate is in the lower tier...


https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm 


if you click on the rankings....surprise surprise...states with more restrictive gun laws have lower number of gun deaths...
paulkeck
8 years ago

yea...here is a Center for Disease Control map of gun mortality by state...CA has a high total, because it has many more people, but the per capita rate is in the lower tier...


https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm 


if you click on the rankings....surprise surprise...states with more restrictive gun laws have lower number of gun deaths...

delta1 wrote:


Always got to throw per capita in the mix lol
paulkeck
8 years ago

yea...here is a Center for Disease Control map of gun mortality by state...CA has a high total, because it has many more people, but the per capita rate is in the lower tier...


https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm 


if you click on the rankings....surprise surprise...states with more restrictive gun laws have lower number of gun deaths...

delta1 wrote:


But I will admit from that study I misspoke, but one thing it does show is less gun deaths but still some of the highest murder rates and not much lower than other states with less gun laws.. which could be assumed that like most have said, people are still going to find a way to kill people, not to mention that study is gun deaths, not murders, point being they need to do an actual study of gun murders to truly get the facts
GhettoNigFabulous
8 years ago
The chicken **** Cop just stood outside and let the kids get slaughtered. Let's everyone remember this the next time the media and society tells how much we have to love and respect our "brave" police and law enforcement
HuckFinn
8 years ago
Most cops would've gladly confronted the shooter.
Killed him, or be killed.
paulkeck
8 years ago
Now they are reporting there were 4 of them
tailgater
8 years ago

I am curious though..... did all the regulation on sudafed do anything to meth production.... I'm being serious here. don't know the answer.

teedubbya wrote:



You need a score?

DrafterX
8 years ago
SE Oklahoma is number 1 in meth production.. ๐Ÿ‘
HuckFinn
8 years ago

I am curious though..... did all the regulation on sudafed do anything to meth production.... I'm being serious here. don't know the answer.

teedubbya wrote:


Sudafed used to contain pseudoephedrine. Was used to make meth.
Sudafed replaced it with something else that is hardly effective I understand.
Pseudoephedrine is a prescription drug almost only now. Not sure if you can get it otherwise.
DrafterX
8 years ago
It still does but they keep it behind the counter and you have to show an ID to by it... No prescription necessary... ๐Ÿ˜Ÿ
frankj1
8 years ago

Now they are reporting there were 4 of them

paulkeck wrote:


4 who wouldn't confront the shooter...but yeah, a math teacher would have killed him.

No if the shooter only had a pistol or 3, any cop would have had no hesitation...based on no facts at all, I admit.
HuckFinn
8 years ago

It still does but they keep it behind the counter and you have to show an ID to by it... No prescription necessary... ๐Ÿ˜Ÿ

DrafterX wrote:


I think you're right. Checked quickly. Sudafed also comes with and without pseudoephedrine.

DrafterX
8 years ago
I buy the good stuff cause it works.. but I'm not making meth... I've seen many questionable people buy the max amount allowed tho... ๐Ÿ˜Ÿ
Mrs. dpnewell
8 years ago

4 who wouldn't confront the shooter...but yeah, a math teacher would have killed him.

No if the shooter only had a pistol or 3, any cop would have had no hesitation...based on no facts at all, I admit.

frankj1 wrote:



David here. Sorry Frank, I love ya bud, but we have to disagree. Don't you think that the football coach, or any of the teachers who gave their lives trying to protect the children would not have given anything at that moment to have had the tools required to at least attempt to defend themselves and the innocent? I would rather die trying to defend myself and my loved ones, rather then standing there unarmed and helpless.

This argument I hear about highly trained police officers vs. teachers also holds no water. To many police officers, their weapon is just another tool on their belt. Many police officers fire their weapon only once a year when they are required to re-qualify. I have shot next to NJ police officers practicing for their simple qualification test, and many of them are totally incompetent when it comes to firearms. Not only is their marksmanship very poor, but Donna and I have been "muzzle sweep" by police officers with a loaded gun and finger on the trigger several times at the range. Most times we packed up and left for our own safety.

I don't buy the argument that a trained CCW holder couldn't stop a shooter with an AR, especially if the situation was "defend yourself or die". Do a Google search. There have been more then one incidence where a school employee has stopped a mass shooting by retrieving their own firearm from their vehicle and confronting the shooter. Usually without firing a shot.
DrafterX
8 years ago
Good argument but that requires them carrying full time verses having guns stashed somewhere.. might be tough for a coach to keep a gun in his boot when an athletic shoe is the appropriate attire... Open carry isn't cool in my opinion..
More stuff to think about but you make a good point... ๐Ÿ˜Ÿ
frankj1
8 years ago

David here. Sorry Frank, I love ya bud, but we have to disagree. Don't you think that the football coach, or any of the teachers who gave their lives trying to protect the children would not have given anything at that moment to have had the tools required to at least attempt to defend themselves and the innocent? I would rather die trying to defend myself and my loved ones, rather then standing there unarmed and helpless.

This argument I hear about highly trained police officers vs. teachers also holds no water. To many police officers, their weapon is just another tool on their belt. Many police officers fire their weapon only once a year when they are required to re-qualify. I have shot next to NJ police officers practicing for their simple qualification test, and many of them are totally incompetent when it comes to firearms. Not only is their marksmanship very poor, but Donna and I have been "muzzle sweep" by police officers with a loaded gun and finger on the trigger several times at the range. Most times we packed up and left for our own safety.

I don't buy the argument that a trained CCW holder couldn't stop a shooter with an AR, especially if the situation was "defend yourself or die". Do a Google search. There have been more then one incidence where a school employee has stopped a mass shooting by retrieving their own firearm from their vehicle and confronting the shooter. Usually without firing a shot.

Mrs. dpnewell wrote:


I'm one of the strange ones that is almost always open minded, and I'm more open minded to those proven to be trustworthy sources, not knee jerk jerks...

so let me take this under consideration.

At least I know I don't know everything, especially about this stuff.

thanks for the love, bruddah.
DrafterX
8 years ago
Even if there was metal detectors at all entrances of every school it wouldn't stop somebody set on killing.. it may stop somebody contemplating it... It will be impossible to fully vetted volunteer school guards... No easy answer... ๐Ÿ˜Ÿ
RMAN4443
8 years ago

4 who wouldn't confront the shooter...but yeah, a math teacher would have killed him.

No if the shooter only had a pistol or 3, any cop would have had no hesitation...based on no facts at all, I admit.

frankj1 wrote:


A good shop teacher would have built a gun and taken care of business8-[
cacman
8 years ago
Will throw this out there for the conspiracy theorists:

Maybe, just maybe, the guberment ignored the numerous tips and warning signs and "allowed" this incident to happen to further promote their gun control agenda???

Heck, the Catholic Church and Red Cross aided in the escape of numerous Nazi war criminals. Josef Mengel was married in a Catholic Church under his own name (not an alias) in South America, and allowed to live a full life until he died of natural causes in 1979.

The Obama administration held up Browardโ€™s transformed discipline system as a national model.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/teachers-say-florida-shooters-problems-started-in-middle-school-and-the-system-tried-to-help-him/2018/02/18/cdff7aa6-1413-11e8-9065-e55346f6de81_story.html 
DrafterX
8 years ago
Wtf does one have to do with other..?? ๐Ÿ˜•


It was a failure on many peoples but a conspiracy..?? Really..?? ๐Ÿ˜•
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