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8 years ago
The first trump NSA to leave the White House without known legal problems.

BRAVO!
Speyside
8 years ago
Tick tock, tick tock.
tailgater
8 years ago

Tick tock, tick tock.

Speyside wrote:



Your mantra until 2024?

Speyside
8 years ago
November is coming. I think it will bring much change. Trump keeps losing credibility for the Republican party. Seemingly on a daily basis. I think he is doing great damage to the Republican party. Do you see it differently?
tailgater
8 years ago

November is coming. I think it will bring much change. Trump keeps losing credibility for the Republican party. Seemingly on a daily basis. I think he is doing great damage to the Republican party. Do you see it differently?

Speyside wrote:



It's cute how you see things from such a biased perspective.


Speyside
8 years ago
So you think Trump is not harming the Republican party. Good to know.
ZRX1200
8 years ago
He cannot harm what wasn't there.

If you don't see anti-establishment Rs as why he's in office I got nothing for you.
delta1
8 years ago
can he be re-elected with only anti-establishment R's.?


can R's not named Trump win elections with only non-establishment R's?
Speyside
8 years ago
Z, don't need your help. I am calling it as I see it. Clearly we see two different things. I think many Republicans running in November will distance themselves from Trump. I think there is a good chance the Republicans will lose the House and the Senate. Time will tell if you are right or I am.
ZRX1200
8 years ago
If then run from him they will lose.

And I'm not supporting his methods, tone or cuth.

Not saying you're wrong I'm saying incomplete picture.
Abrignac
8 years ago
Stock market is up, jobs are up, pay is increasing.....

As James Carville put it, "It's about the economy, stupid."
Abrignac
8 years ago

November is coming. I think it will bring much change. Trump keeps losing credibility for the Republican party. Seemingly on a daily basis. I think he is doing great damage to the Republican party. Do you see it differently?

Speyside wrote:




Alan I hate to say it, but you have absolutely no idea why Trump was elected.

At the end of the day, the people who voted him into office will vote for him again. He will also pick up votes from people who have benefited from his policies. Your view is myopic to say the least.
MCAddict
8 years ago

Z, don't need your help. I am calling it as I see it. Clearly we see two different things. I think many Republicans running in November will distance themselves from Trump. I think there is a good chance the Republicans will lose the House and the Senate. Time will tell if you are right or I am.

Speyside wrote:


So the sum of the equation is republicans who distance themselves from Trump will lose reelection and the slim majority they now hold. I agree it could happen.
frankj1
8 years ago

Alan I hate to say it, but you have absolutely no idea why Trump was elected.

At the end of the day, the people who voted him into office will vote for him again. He will also pick up votes from people who have benefited from his policies. Your view is myopic to say the least.

Abrignac wrote:


by the end of his term, if the rust belters he mobilized to turn out to vote GOP in greater numbers than they ever had before don't have better lives (jobs, insurance etc.) they won't vote against him...they just won't vote.

Currently, they may be in worse shape. No job increase for them and many have lost insurance.

It's way too early to tell how all these numbers will end 3 years from now.
tailgater
8 years ago

by the end of his term, if the rust belters he mobilized to turn out to vote GOP in greater numbers than they ever had before don't have better lives (jobs, insurance etc.) they won't vote against him...they just won't vote.

Currently, they may be in worse shape. No job increase for them and many have lost insurance.

It's way too early to tell how all these numbers will end 3 years from now.

frankj1 wrote:



Substitute "African Americans" for "rust belters" and you just summarized Obama's road to victory.

there will always be groups of people that vote in record numbers, and groups who are disenfranchised.

The winner will be the one who reads it best and capitalizes on it.
ZRX1200
8 years ago
OH NO, WE'RE GONNA LOSE OUR $10K DOLLAR HIGH DEDUCTIBLE INSURANCE!!!!!


Unless we got it for "free".
frankj1
8 years ago

Substitute "African Americans" for "rust belters" and you just summarized Obama's road to victory.

there will always be groups of people that vote in record numbers, and groups who are disenfranchised.

The winner will be the one who reads it best and capitalizes on it.

tailgater wrote:


that's exactly what I had in mind...the swing works both ways.
O got them out in record numbers, but Hillary was unable to motivate them.
I see the same happening if Trump does not improve the rust belters' lot in life...and I say rust belters in larger terms than implied by geography.
frankj1
8 years ago

OH NO, WE'RE GONNA LOSE OUR $10K DOLLAR HIGH DEDUCTIBLE INSURANCE!!!!!


Unless we got it for "free".

ZRX1200 wrote:


only this time those that you disparage voted for Trump. Will they do it again if he continues to leave them behind?
3 years is enough time to recapture their gullibility...but so far they have not been part of any fix.
Speyside
8 years ago
Anthony, people voted for change, and voted against Hillary. I think both of those things have merit. But I think Trump has not affected change in a positive way. Certainly my view is biased with a liberal slant.

I think the Republicans are in trouble for the mid terms. Historically whoever wins the presidency does poorly in the mid terms. My guess for this would be the oppositions base becomes highly motivated.

I think Republicans will still vote Republican. I think Democrats will vote Democrat. I think there will be a higher turnout of Democrats for the above mentioned reason. The interesting part will be how do the independents vote. I think they will vote more Democratic than they did for president because they won't be voting for Hillary.
HuckFinn
8 years ago
According to an article in January Time magazine, tweets aside, Trump has governed like a garden-variety Republican. He rolled back Obama-Era regulations, eg energy and environment, his corporate tax cuts, he eliminated required health insurance, toughened the immigration laws, appointed conservative judges, and his Federal Reserve choice was orthodox.

Ian Bremer (the writer of the article) says a presidency under Jeb Bush probably wouldn't have looked any different. 'Cept for the overall madness of course.

Still, CNN and others are predicting a 'blue wave'. Nothing personal. It's a pendulum thing.

Damn. I just want a **** nap at this point...
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