Speyside
8 years ago
Doc, I agree with you, imagine that. I voted third party to voice my disgust with Trump and Clinton. I realize that was almost the same as not voting.
DrMaddVibe
8 years ago

Doc, I agree with you, imagine that. I voted third party to voice my disgust with Trump and Clinton. I realize that was almost the same as not voting.

Speyside wrote:




Normally, I wouldn't have any issue with anyone voting 3rd party. I totally get it. Rage against the Machine!

In this cycle though?

She really counted on people to not write in "Jill" and "Bernie" or vote for Mr. Weed. That's how arrogant the carpetbaggers are. I firmly believe that a deal with them and the Kenyan King was put in place. Remember that 45 minute "WHERE ARE THEY?" meeting that they held in the run up to his coronation? I want a plumb spot in your administration where I can keep my pulse on the patient and then when they're done with you be it one or 2 terms you keep Joe on the sidelines (Hell, Crazy Joe is STILL on the sidelines thats how rattled he is!) and I'll take the power back. I really believe a deal like that was in place.

If there was a viable 3rd party candidate I would've voted for them...there just wasn't. Gary had opportunities and both the Left and the Right batted him down as the "Not Ready For Primetime" candidate he was. If only he had more to say beside he wanted to legalize weed and put the bong down when the cameras were on him...this might've legitimized the 3rd party. If anything...it tore it down, smashed it to splinters and it would have to take a super human to even go against the DNC and GOP now.

I still think she's gonna try and make another run of it. She won't succeed...again...if she does.
tailgater
8 years ago

You must have assumed that was the argument. Never was..

HuckFinn wrote:




Uhh, it was the major point of the OP (I should know) and it was discussed in detail on the first page.

Not saying it was YOUR point, nor am I saying your point isn't valid.
It's just a DIFFERENT point.

DrMaddVibe
8 years ago
Yeah...why are they wetting themselves???:-k 🤔 🤔
HuckFinn
8 years ago
Google Trump's threat to democracy

Here's an article from NYT

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/10/opinion/trumps-how-democracies-die.html 


Here are the warning signs according to political scientists (from the same article )

1. The leader shows only a weak commitment to democratic rules. 2. He or she denies the legitimacy of opponents. 3. He or she tolerates violence. 4. He or she shows some willingness to curb civil liberties or the media.

It's one thing to be a conservative. But another to blindly accept this political atmosphere as a new, better normal. Even conservatives (see Joshua Goldberg new book: Suicide Of The West ) are speaking out against what's beginning to look like a tyrant's takeover.

Do some research folks. Read what even writers at the National Review are saying.

It's not a partisan issue.
We all should be genuinely worried about whats taking place in our country!
DrMaddVibe
8 years ago

Google Trump's threat to democracy

HuckFinn wrote:




No, I don't think I'm going to.


So, what size is your head? That way the girls can get you fitted for your Pink Pu$$y hat for the next parade.
HuckFinn
8 years ago

No, I don't think I'm going to.


So, what size is your head? That way the girls can get you fitted for your Pink Pu$$y hat for the next parade.

DrMaddVibe wrote:


So, you got nuthin'
Cool.
DrMaddVibe
8 years ago

So, you got nuthin'
Cool.

HuckFinn wrote:




Yeah, following your linked rabbit holes off topic...DONE!

The girls still need your head size for your Pink Pu$$y hat though.
Ewok126
8 years ago
A drunk dude in a bar went up to this hot chick and said "Man, I sure would like to have a little Pu$$Y."

She replied "So would I, Mine is as big as your hat!"

tailgater
8 years ago

Google Trump's threat to democracy

Here's an article from NYT

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/10/opinion/trumps-how-democracies-die.html 


Here are the warning signs according to political scientists (from the same article )

1. The leader shows only a weak commitment to democratic rules. 2. He or she denies the legitimacy of opponents. 3. He or she tolerates violence. 4. He or she shows some willingness to curb civil liberties or the media.

It's one thing to be a conservative. But another to blindly accept this political atmosphere as a new, better normal. Even conservatives (see Joshua Goldberg new book: Suicide Of The West ) are speaking out against what's beginning to look like a tyrant's takeover.

Do some research folks. Read what even writers at the National Review are saying.

It's not a partisan issue.
We all should be genuinely worried about whats taking place in our country!

HuckFinn wrote:



It's official.
You've gone nucking futs.

HuckFinn
8 years ago



The White House’s increasing inaccessibility to the press; the violence against lawmakers and journalists; the apparent ease with which Russia preyed on Americans’ deep political divisions and distrust of government; and the president’s efforts to delegitimize the media, his opponents, unfavorable court rulings, and independent investigations into his campaign’s ties with Moscow, have all contributed to a sense that American democracy is battered and besieged.

“America is no more immune from collapse than were some of history’s most stable and impressive consensual governments,” Victor Davis Hanson wrote last week in National Review. “Fifth-century Athens, Republican Rome, Renaissance Florence and Venice, and many of the elected governments of early 20th-century Western European states eventually destroyed themselves, went bankrupt, or were overrun by invaders.”


In May, amid the fallout from Donald Trump’s firing of FBI Director James Comey, the democracy-monitoring group Bright Line Watch polled more than 1,000 political scientists in the United States on whether America was adhering to a list of 29 democratic principles. What they found is that the vitality of American democracy depends on your definition of “democracy.” The U.S. performed well on measures of free expression but poorly on measures of political civility and equality, with the quality of elections and checks and balances on power earning mixed results.

A poll by another democracy-monitoring project, the Authoritarian Warning Survey, helps place America’s political problems in an international context. In May, 68 democracy scholars compared the behavior of American political leaders since January to the typical behavior of politicians in other mature democracies. On average, the United States was judged to be within the norm for “consolidated” democracies in terms of the rejection of political violence and the protection of civil liberties. It was considered to be just outside the norm when it comes to constraints on executive power, respect for an independent press, and commitment to free and fair elections in which political opponents are treated as legitimate. And, most remarkably, it was deemed significantly outside the norm on political rhetoric that honors democratic principles. When asked what recent development posed the greatest threat to American democracy, the most common response was Trump’s dismissal of Comey.

From just one of dozens of articles about our waning democracy.
And democracy's gradual dissolution globally.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/06/american-democracy-trump/530454/ 

Tyranny doesn't suddenly appear and take hold. It's a slow process.
But, Hillary.
tailgater
8 years ago
The things you cite above might be true to some extent.
But they didn't start happening January 20, 2017.
Which is precisely what you are suggesting.

Obama frequently dismissed FoxNews. Not with the vitriol by which Trump operates, but with no less impact.
If it seemed exceedingly less frequent please remember that it's ONE station versus the multitude of liberal "news" channels that unleash on the POTUS with every opportunity they get.
Often with justification. Other times to provoke a response.
Is that journalism? Or is it making the news ala Randolph Hearst?

But at the end of the day, it seems that President Trump is the only one capable of multitasking.
While the deranged were running around yelling about golden showers and Russia, Russia, Russia, all Trump did was improve the American manufacturing base and get North Korea to belly up to the table sans the nukes.

If his methods offended a few limp wristed nations and Americans with TDS: So what?




HuckFinn
8 years ago
TG, Trump even before his inauguration antagonized, baited and denounced most media outlets. Its his MO. Its what he does best: bicker.

Call them liberal outlets if you need to but that's not how the majority of Americans see cnn or CBS etc. I know you do and I'm not gonna argue. Fox btw is an entertainment channel. Not a news source. Totally false equivalence.

Here's where I will argue with you though: if you honestly think Donald is the only one who is able to multi-task, that he is a capable and compassionate leader, if you're confident that this guy represents you and the west in a way you're proud of, then all I can do is wonder if you're even half as bright as I'd given you credit for. Either way I have to laugh.
Guy's a bumbling idiot.

So, you just lost some points.

Oh right. Limp wristed...really man?
Are you glib or do you just not know world history?
Or do you just like to play the devil's advocate?

Funny, for someone who'd defend the 2nd amendment like it was a baby taking a bath among wolves, you don't either know much about the fragility of democracy at this moment in time (or historically) or prefer to listlessly argue how Obama vs Trump vs cnn vs fox vs left vs right..


Russia.



tailgater
8 years ago

TG, Trump even before his inauguration antagonized, baited and denounced most media outlets. Its his MO. Its what he does best: bicker.

Call them liberal outlets if you need to but that's not how the majority of Americans see cnn or CBS etc. I know you do and I'm not gonna argue. Fox btw is an entertainment channel. Not a news source. Totally false equivalence.

Here's where I will argue with you though: if you honestly think Donald is the only one who is able to multi-task, that he is a capable and compassionate leader, if you're confident that this guy represents you and the west in a way you're proud of, then all I can do is wonder if you're even half as bright as I'd given you credit for. Either way I have to laugh.
Guy's a bumbling idiot.

So, you just lost some points.

Oh right. Limp wristed...really man?
Are you glib or do you just not know world history?
Or do you just like to play the devil's advocate?

Funny, for someone who'd defend the 2nd amendment like it was a baby taking a bath among wolves, you don't either know much about the fragility of democracy at this moment in time (or historically) or prefer to listlessly argue how Obama vs Trump vs cnn vs fox vs left vs right..


Russia.

HuckFinn wrote:



You don't even know what you're arguing anymore, do you?

FoxNews is MSNBC.
CNN is a biased news channel.
False equivalence, yes. Because CNN is the liar in this group by pretending to give news.

And I lost points?
Why? Because you lie about me using words like "compassionate"?

Or did I lose points because you failed to understand the multitask slam?
I'll spell it out: the left (you) were (and are) so hell bent fixated on Russia and golden showers and decade old porn star sex that you can't see how Trump is quietly getting things done that actually help this country.
Although even if you did see it, you'd never admit it.
Ever.

So Keep on lying.
Keep on hating everything Trump.
Because it's making it easy to use you as the litmus test: Huck agrees with it? Must be leftist BS.

You weren't always this way, but the TDS must be progressing.
(that means getting worse)





RMAN4443
8 years ago

TG, Trump even before his inauguration antagonized, baited and denounced most media outlets. Its his MO. Its what he does best: bicker.

Call them liberal outlets if you need to but that's not how the majority of Americans see cnn or CBS etc. I know you do and I'm not gonna argue. Fox btw is an entertainment channel. Not a news source. Totally false equivalence.

Here's where I will argue with you though: if you honestly think Donald is the only one who is able to multi-task, that he is a capable and compassionate leader, if you're confident that this guy represents you and the west in a way you're proud of, then all I can do is wonder if you're even half as bright as I'd given you credit for. Either way I have to laugh.
Guy's a bumbling idiot.

So, you just lost some points.

Oh right. Limp wristed...really man?
Are you glib or do you just not know world history?
Or do you just like to play the devil's advocate?

Funny, for someone who'd defend the 2nd amendment like it was a baby taking a bath among wolves, you don't either know much about the fragility of democracy at this moment in time (or historically) or prefer to listlessly argue how Obama vs Trump vs cnn vs fox vs left vs right..


Russia.



HuckFinn wrote:


There's that "open mind" again

during the debates, didn't CNN hand Hillary the questions that were going to be asked in one of the debates???????

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/07/donna-brazile-is-totally-not-sorry-for-leaking-cnn-debate-questions-to-hillary-clinton/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.1fdd8b4ee1c4 
Phil222
8 years ago
I think what Huck is talking about here is Zakaria's "Rise of Illiberal Democracies."...could be wrong though...was just skimming though some of this discussion, and I agree with TG on that we've had problems long before Trump.

Came across these today...somewhat related to the original topic.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/apr/22/michael-cohen-sean-hannity-property-real-estate-ben-carson-hud 

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/apr/24/sean-hannity-real-estate-property-dealer-jeff-brock-fraud-foreclosures 
frankj1
8 years ago
is one covered by attorney/client privilege if the discussions are about committed crime(s)?
HuckFinn
8 years ago

There's that "open mind" again

during the debates, didn't CNN hand Hillary the questions that were going to be asked in one of the debates???????

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/07/donna-brazile-is-totally-not-sorry-for-leaking-cnn-debate-questions-to-hillary-clinton/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.1fdd8b4ee1c4 

RMAN4443 wrote:


I've said a few times now, my mind is closed as regards Trump.
I've seen enough damnng evidence.
If you want to continue watching our agencies and press discredited and denegraded by Donald, all in order to divert attention away from allegations and nefarious activities, all the while trusting noone but Donald, thats your call. But don't you even wonder 'is this guy honest at all?' Maybe you dont....I know, Hillary...Obama...Bill..

And all the droves of Trump associates who've been indicted or are under investigation that have testified that they broke laws for Donald are what, part of some deep state conspiracy?...well, your call again. You're convinced Donald is guilt-free. Right?

I'd much rather be accused of being closed-minded than brain dead

Personally I think anyone who continues to have an open mind as it regards Donald ought to check that their mind isn't leaking out of their ears.

Maybe not until everyone ever associated with him, all of them are gone, found guilty and sentenced, you'll still be under the Trump spell.
You need more proof. I don't. Yup, my mind is sealed. Talk about something else.
HuckFinn
8 years ago

You don't even know what you're arguing anymore, do you?

FoxNews is MSNBC.
CNN is a biased news channel.
False equivalence, yes. Because CNN is the liar in this group by pretending to give news.

And I lost points?
Why? Because you lie about me using words like "compassionate"?

Or did I lose points because you failed to understand the multitask slam?
I'll spell it out: the left (you) were (and are) so hell bent fixated on Russia and golden showers and decade old porn star sex that you can't see how Trump is quietly getting things done that actually help this country.
Although even if you did see it, you'd never admit it.
Ever.

So Keep on lying.
Keep on hating everything Trump.
Because it's making it easy to use you as the litmus test: Huck agrees with it? Must be leftist BS.

You weren't always this way, but the TDS must be progressing.
(that means getting worse)

tailgater wrote:


You're right about only one thing TG, it's a waste of time trying to 'argue' with folks like you.
Folks who desperately need to keep things simple. Do zero research. Keep things black or white. CNN bad. Liars. Other side. Leftists.

Pathetic.

Oh, you're right a second time! I should never had used the word compassionate.

Trump is ffucking up our country, our alliances, conspiring with enemies, walking away from the Paris pact endangering our environment and kids' futures, starting trade wars, and possibly breaking our alliances with multiple nations and scrapping the Iran deal which would mean that within just a matter of years, unmonitered, they'll have the bomb....

It's an impressive list. So maybe you're right a third time, he can multitask.

Heil Donald!
Mrs. dpnewell
8 years ago

You're right about only one thing TG, it's a waste of time trying to 'argue' with folks like you.
Folks who desperately need to keep things simple. Do zero research. Keep things black or white. CNN bad. Liars. Other side. Leftists.

Pathetic.

Oh, you're right a second time! I should never had used the word compassionate.

Trump is ffucking up our country, our alliances, conspiring with enemies, walking away from the Paris pact endangering our environment and kids' futures, starting trade wars, and possibly breaking our alliances with multiple nations and scrapping the Iran deal which would mean that within just a matter of years, unmonitered, they'll have the bomb....

It's an impressive list. So maybe you're right a third time, he can multitask.

Heil Donald!

HuckFinn wrote:




As he walks away shaking his head, he could be heard to mumble ..... "and all this time I though Banderi was the one with the incurable TDS........."
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