tailgater
8 years ago
Now that the Migrant Caravan has arrived at the border, what should we do?

Forget that they've been coached to claim "asylum".
Are they more deserving than the tens of thousands that are waiting to gain entry via legal methods?
Should we simply have no borders?
What happens to a mother of 3 young children if she is able to cross into the US?
She can't be expected to work with kids to take care of.
She is unlikely to have a work skill or speak English.
Many claim that undocumented immigrants are not eligible for welfare, but they don't exist solely on charitable contributions. Or if they do, why do those charities only exist within our borders?
What is Mexico's role in all of this?

The human factor is the #1 reason that a wall is needed.
Not to prevent entry, but to deter others from making this a daily ritual.
We let today's migrants in under false asylum then that would become the Spanish word du jour.

If America had no poverty. No homeless veterans. No starving children of our own. Then I'd be more likely to be in favor of tending to these huddled masses.

We're not there yet.
So what do we do with these state-sponsored caravans?
MACS
8 years ago
We should tell them to go the f*** back from where they came. The End.

OR better yet... tell Mexico to deal with them. They're currently Mexico's problem.
bgz
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8 years ago
DrMaddVibe
8 years ago
How's that wall looking now Mexico?

Deal with the trash thats in YOUR yard!
danmdevries
8 years ago
I really do feel bad for them. I'd hate to be in their shoes. An attempt to escape a terrible situation in hopes for a better life, literally walk away from everything.

dstieger
8 years ago

I'm all over the place on this topic...and I don't wish it were black and white so much as I wish many on every side of the issues could see some of the gray. Any and all public immigration discussions have gone so far off the rails, I am not sure we can get it back to reasonable discussion. Worst for me, is that logic has completely left the building. I'm fairly understanding and even compassionate at times. I remember when we admired people who gave up everything to move and try to make a better life elsewhere -- when we championed people willing to go to a strange place ....and wanting to work and find opportunity for themselves and their families.
But, I cannot for the life of me listen to people who advocate for and mindlessly justify illegal immigration...it doesn't compute. I believe that we NEED increased LEGAL immigration if we have any hope for economic growth over 1% in the next decade. But the idea that opposing ILLEGAL immigration is racist is no longer a fringe notion. We've lost the thread and I don't believe we can get it back....and any and all attempts will be branded not only as racist, but as the last gasp rantings of lunatic whites who long for the past when we reigned. I am generally optimistic, but I don't see an honest, respectful, national conversation on immigration happening in my lifetime. I do think we missed a big opportunity when we took a pass on pressing for English as a single, national language - required in all official dealings, documents, etc. I don't think that's racist. I think that its important for communication, and yes - even assimilation. I think its ok to expect immigrants to conform to some (most?) things American, including language. In which Spanish speaking country would you be fully accepted if you refused to speak Spanish and expected accommodations be made so you wouldn't have to bother?

I don't believe that immigrants are a drain on the economy- or that most, even many, will be sucking from the welfare tit. But, I do believe that the Feds have the right/responsibility to control who comes into the country -- and if you come in outside of legal channels, you should expect to be deported. Pretty cut and dried to me.

As to the asylum questions and coaching...red herring...I don't care about the coaching -- if someone is really persecuted and meets the 'requirements' and legally requests asylum, they should be considered for it. Doesn't mean that they displace those trying to get here legally via other visa means, I don't think.
tailgater
8 years ago
Regarding asylum:
There are sympathetic lawyers waiting at the border.
they're ready to over burden our immigration and legal system with lawsuits.
These lawyers don't know these would-be (illegal) immigrants. But they have their legal papers already prepared. Which is odd. It's almost as if the lawyers were going to coach the unfortunates on what to claim.
A cynical person would suggest as much.



It will be interesting to see how this unfolds.

I think it's going to do nothing more than bolster Trump's plea to build a wall.
dstieger
8 years ago

Regarding asylum:
There are sympathetic lawyers waiting at the border.
they're ready to over burden our immigration and legal system with lawsuits.
These lawyers don't know these would-be (illegal) immigrants. But they have their legal papers already prepared. Which is odd. It's almost as if the lawyers were going to coach the unfortunates on what to claim.
A cynical person would suggest as much.



It will be interesting to see how this unfolds.

I think it's going to do nothing more than bolster Trump's plea to build a wall.

tailgater wrote:



Maybe we should be promoting extreme vetting of lawyers
tailgater
8 years ago

Maybe we should be promoting extreme vetting of lawyers

dstieger wrote:



Who would do the vetting?

dstieger
8 years ago
frankj1
8 years ago
deadeyedick
8 years ago
I guess if I were in their shoes I would be trying the same thing. What is another 100-200? Problem is where do we draw the (Obama) line in the sand? We already have 11-12 million illegals and if you don't think they are a drain on our welfare, legal, school systems you are sadly mistaken.

We badly need control of who gets in and who is allowed to stay. Those already in line should have first priority except in extreme cases where we need their abilities.

The notion that if you step across the fence into this country and drop a baby makes it a citizen is absurd and contrary to the laws of almost every other nation.
ZRX1200
8 years ago
More like 20 million.
Krazeehorse
8 years ago

I guess if I were in their shoes I would be trying the same thing. What is another 100-200? Problem is where do we draw the (Obama) line in the sand? We already have 11-12 million illegals and if you don't think they are a drain on our welfare, legal, school systems you are sadly mistaken.

We badly need control of who gets in and who is allowed to stay. Those already in line should have first priority except in extreme cases where we need their abilities.

The notion that if you step across the fence into this country and drop a baby makes it a citizen is absurd and contrary to the laws of almost every other nation.

deadeyedick wrote:



Amen on the anchor babies. I can't wrap my head around the thought behind that law.
MACS
8 years ago

Amen on the anchor babies. I can't wrap my head around the thought behind that law.

Krazeehorse wrote:



+2
ecr
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8 years ago

I'm all over the place on this topic...and I don't wish it were black and white so much as I wish many on every side of the issues could see some of the gray. Any and all public immigration discussions have gone so far off the rails, I am not sure we can get it back to reasonable discussion. Worst for me, is that logic has completely left the building. I'm fairly understanding and even compassionate at times. I remember when we admired people who gave up everything to move and try to make a better life elsewhere -- when we championed people willing to go to a strange place ....and wanting to work and find opportunity for themselves and their families.
But, I cannot for the life of me listen to people who advocate for and mindlessly justify illegal immigration...it doesn't compute. I believe that we NEED increased LEGAL immigration if we have any hope for economic growth over 1% in the next decade. But the idea that opposing ILLEGAL immigration is racist is no longer a fringe notion. We've lost the thread and I don't believe we can get it back....and any and all attempts will be branded not only as racist, but as the last gasp rantings of lunatic whites who long for the past when we reigned. I am generally optimistic, but I don't see an honest, respectful, national conversation on immigration happening in my lifetime. I do think we missed a big opportunity when we took a pass on pressing for English as a single, national language - required in all official dealings, documents, etc. I don't think that's racist. I think that its important for communication, and yes - even assimilation. I think its ok to expect immigrants to conform to some (most?) things American, including language. In which Spanish speaking country would you be fully accepted if you refused to speak Spanish and expected accommodations be made so you wouldn't have to bother?

I don't believe that immigrants are a drain on the economy- or that most, even many, will be sucking from the welfare tit. But, I do believe that the Feds have the right/responsibility to control who comes into the country -- and if you come in outside of legal channels, you should expect to be deported. Pretty cut and dried to me.

As to the asylum questions and coaching...red herring...I don't care about the coaching -- if someone is really persecuted and meets the 'requirements' and legally requests asylum, they should be considered for it. Doesn't mean that they displace those trying to get here legally via other visa means, I don't think.

dstieger wrote:




I'm also understanding and compassionate dstieger but our citizens and our warriors must come first………

Here’s my gray,

75% of the American people are living pay check to pay check

22 Vets commit suicide every day

49,933 homeless veterans which represents 8.6 percent of the total homeless population.

The average age of a homeless person is 9 years old.

More than 3.5 million people are homeless every night, and 1.35 million are children.

More than 30 percent of homeless families have an open case for child abuse or neglect.

Of the 31.1 million people living in poverty, more than 12 million are children.

60.000 opioids deaths each year

Did I mention we are 20 trillion in debt

Sorry if I sound so GRAY and gloomy.
dstieger
8 years ago
and a Lambo Aventador was clocked at 217 MPH
Gene363
8 years ago

We should tell them to go the f*** back from where they came. The End.

OR better yet... tell Mexico to deal with them. They're currently Mexico's problem.

MACS wrote:




Exactly, just another example of the fact that Mexico is not our best friend.
rfenst
8 years ago

rfenster!

frankj1 wrote:


Frank!!!
GhettoNigFabulous
8 years ago
Send the pieces of human garbage back to where they came from. This is outrageous. These ungrateful turds just think they can run across our borders while waving FOREIGN flags, what a disgrace.
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