It's been well reported that anyone showing up at the boarder is now seeking asylum. Activists know it will overwhelm the immigration courts. In fact, the number of cases has grown exponentially in a few years time. This leads to them being resettled in the US while they await their fate. After they have been here awhile they are hailed as contributors and any attempt to then deport them is labeled inhumane. Likewise holding them in detention is also labeled unconscionable. The only considerable remedy then is to welcome with open arms anyone who makes it into the US.


I don't think anyone fears legal immigration.


You know it's not that uncomplicated.

I wouldn't try reason.

Not there.

A wall would solve this problem.. and stopping trucks at the border marked bananas... . 😟

Sessions so-called New Rules:It’s labeled “Interim Guidance” for asylum officers — the people in charge of conducting interviews for asylum and “credible fear” screening interviews for migrants at the border that determine whether they’ll be allowed to stay in the US and pursue an asylum claim. Most are simply turned away at the border.

And these are people trying to enter legally.
Many that are turned away then try to sneak in.

Guess you have little sympathy for refugees claiming they're afraid to go home...
And I do.

No means NO..!! 😠

Like just say no to drugs?

That worked.

As they should be absent a lack of credible threat to their safety. Do you have evidence to the contrary?


So if they can't enter legally, they sneak in? Should we treat them different than any other criminal? Last I checked entering the US illegally was a criminal act.



How does being in favor of legal immigration make someone unsympathetic?

Huck, I don't think any of us are unsympathetic to their situations.

We have borders, and we have to protect the borders... we can't just let everyone walk in without question.

Just like I'm sure most of the random solicitors that knock on your door mean well, but you don't just let them walk in. It's a door, it's there for a reason, and you don't want people walking through it without your permission. I guess I could be wrong about that, you might just let any old hooker or crackhead claiming to be a person in need walk through your door at any time they want... but I'm guessing you don't.

So consider the border a giant f***ing door.

Ya.. 😠

Huck, I read an article a few days back that stated that according to immigration officials, over 80% of asylum seekers where lying. No one in fearing immigration. We just want it done according to our laws. When my ancestors came here in the 1880s and 1910s, they did it the legal way. They learned the language and assimilated into the American culture. They did not receive government hand outs, and worked hard to make it in this country. They where proud to be Americans. A far cry from what is happening today.

Sure, many immigrants are hard working, learn the language and assimilate into our culture. To these I welcome with open arms. The ones that refuse to learn the language, refuse to assimilate, game the system for handouts and then demand that we make accommodations for their language and culture, are the ones I have problems with. When some schools can't even fly the American flag because it offends certain immigrants, you know we are doomed as a nation.

David (dpnewell)

Careful Allen. They're going to take away your libby card.

David

Ya... 😠

LMAO Dave. Does it have to be an oxymoron for a liberal to have common sense? I am willing to consider all sides of an issue. I often learn by doing this. I really dislike being boxed into a category. It seems to me we should choose the best solution to a problem. Aligning your point of view strictly to a political affiliation is self limiting.

Drafter, if I do give up my card do you want it? The back side of it has a 2 for 1 burger deal on it.

In other words you were wrong... 😟

I agree with a zero tolerance policy. What I have said is separating young children from their parents is pure evil. As a compassionate human being I want this ended and the children to be reunited with their parents.

Just checking in to see how the trumphausen by proxy debate is going.

I understand. The law is the law. Period.

If someone claims, but can't immediately prove at the border that their family is in danger, too bad. Next. 


Break the law? Trying to sneak in? No excuses. 


No jobs where you're from? No opportinities? Too bad. Next.

First offense trying to cross illegally? Oh, second? Felony.  

Rather face jail time than return home? Not a problem. Next.


Your son was murdered by a gang in El Salvador, and you're trying to save his brother from the same fate?.......tough. Next.


During the Irish Potato Famine a million or so Irish folks died and many survivors tried to enter the US, legally or otherwise. Would you have similarly  turned away the thousands that snuck in? Because that's what they did. Broke the law. The final estimate of Irish illegals is between 10,000-15,000.

http://www.thejournal.ie/factcheck-undocumented-irish-usa-3559047-Aug2017/ 

 Should they have been rounded up and deported? Returned to Ireland.

To do what? Starve? Next? 


Or how about in '39 when Roosevelt, who knew about the death camps, turned  away a German ocean liner with 1000 passengers, almost all Jewish, all trying to escape Hitler, forced the ship, (and 2 other ships years later) to return to Europe where more than a quarter of them died in the death camps. Politics rued the day then. (Still does) But then it was because the Nazi propaganda machine had Anti-Semitism at a fevers pitch internationally. The good old reliable politics of zenophobia. Never goes outta fashion. Ask the Italians about life (and death by mob hangings) in the American south. The fear then is pretty much the same fear and hate-driven mentality that we're witnessing today. (No small thanks to Trump)  
But I di..gr...ess


Do we get to know only with the help of hindsight that desperate people do desperate things? That they'll try to escape whatever hell they're stuck in, forge passports, sneak in illegally, lie, bribe, do whatever they can to get a fresh start in a safe place. Wouldn't you? If you felt you hadn't any other option?? Life and death stuff. Because is trying to feed your family really a high crime?  How about stealing a loaf of bread? I know, do it 'legally', right? And when that fails?

Next? 


I know you're in law enforcement.  Your survival depends on laws and clarity. But as it regards this mind-boggling wave of refugeeism we're witnessing on a global scale (!), I  personally believe we have to dig deeper and show even more compassion. Not less. You know, there but for the grace of God go I?



I'm not advocating open borders. Maybe just slightly more open minds and hearts. 


Do I believe that everyone with a sad story is telling the truth. Of course not.

But as you research it you see that the process of tracking down the truth of their stories is usually impossible. So err on the side of caution. 


Look, I realize that these are loosely connected historical examples I've cited with different specifics, but what connects them is that these are all disenfranchised, desperate masses of people needing help from people that are more fortunate than they are.


And sometimes, I think anyway, that there are laws even higher than man's.

That there is right and wrong. 

And as it concerns refugees and immigrants legal or undocumented, being compassionate is right.

Can't protect and help everyone.

If it's too ez, then everyone will do it.

If they're fleeing for their lives from Guatemala why wouldn't Mexico be safe enough..?? Maybe we should just put them on a train to Canada.. 🤔