delta1
8 years ago

Know what happens to American kids when their parents commit crimes and are detained? They're taken by CPS... separated from their parents. OMG!!!

Why has nobody complained about that? Hmmmmm.

If you come over here illegally, and there's no way for the US to verify the kids are, in fact, your kids... and you've committed a crime and have been detained... what should they do with the kids?

Is NONE of the responsibility going to be placed SQUARELY where it belongs? The parents who did the crime WITH their kids in tow?

MACS wrote:



US criminals have rights...and the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution says "the state may not deny any person the equal protection of the law". The courts have decided many times that illegal aliens are persons, and the US Constitution applies to them when they are in the country.

Although criminals in the US are physically separated from their children, the law requires that the state is responsible for their well-being, whether placed with available family/friends who can care for them, or the state DCPS takes custody and places them with foster families. The criminal parents KNOW who has them and where they are. Their children may visit them or communicate with them by phone or writing or through intermediaries, as long as they are incarcerated. This is humane, and is the law.

This did NOT happen under Trump's zero tolerance policy used to enforce the border security laws. There are still more than 2,000 children who have been separated from their families... shipped off with scant documentation...their parents and families have no idea where they are and the children have no idea where their parents or families are. Woe is the infant who does not know his name, his mother's name, his place of birth. This is not the law...and is not humane.

The administration is scrambling to put a process in place to right this wrong, one that could have...should have... been avoided...except the Trump government wanted to make this practice a deterrent for illegal immigrants. So Trump is proving what the cons have been saying for a long time... that government is incompetent in most things and should be made small...

or worse, in Trump's administration's case...government can be maliciously negligent...
DrafterX
8 years ago
It was always a temporary separation.. just until the parents saw a judge for their crimes and get deported.. 😟
tailgater
8 years ago

Where do you get your news TG?
From a source that calls all inconvenient info fake?
Carrier pigeons?
An oracle?
Seriously, what media source is honest and reliable in your opinion?

HuckFinn wrote:



And you still can't tell us what new legislation or rule or law or executive order was created to tear families apart at the border.

I won't ask where you get your news.
It's obvious.

tailgater
8 years ago

Common sense comes into play besides news sources.. 😟

DrafterX wrote:



But this isn't even about common sense.

Huck sees the news and it says "Trump separates families at the border".

So he believes it.

He might even check in with CNN or NPR to confirm it.

Huck doesn't need actual proof. Just safety in numbers.
A popular vote of like-thinking intellectuals.
Do I dare say it? Yes. A consensus.

Once established he doesn't need to justify or prove or even discuss his reasoning. He just has to ridicule the opposition.

Huck and his ilk cry about Trump, but they embody the very essence of fascism with their attempts to snuff out any opposing viewpoint without so much as a discussion.

"you want me to explain my viewpoint? Ha! Let me answer by asking where you get your news."




MACS
8 years ago

Time made a bad decision. Pure stupidity.

Did it hurt the mainstream media's credibility? Sure.

They could have used silhouettes. Or a cartoon version. Or the actual photo to make their point.

So they missed the mark. Big deal. They photoshopped a symbol of their disappointment.

Don't make THAT the only takeaway.

Truth is Trump was separating families at the border.

How is that not truth or reality?

HuckFinn wrote:



https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/06/18/myth-vs-fact-dhs-zero-tolerance-policy 
victor809
8 years ago
Of all the moronic, Twitter headed things this administration has done... Separating kids from adults during detention is something I am not too wound up about. It sucks... It's inhumane... It will create future sociopaths... But hey... I don't give a f-ck about the future.

That being said... Time choosing a photo of a kid who didn't actually get separated from their family is 100% irrelevant. It's a magazine cover, and clearly meant to be a symbol. As such,they could have chosen to take a picture of an actor... Or just used a caricature of a child (no one claims the caricatures "aren't actually real!")... The point of the cover was that there are crying children because they are separated from their parents, and that it's Trump's fault.

.... You can argue whether it's Trump's fault (a valid argument. The policy wasn't his, the enforcement was)... But no one is arguing that there aren't any crying children separated from their families....
MACS
8 years ago
Trump's fault? So he coerced the parents to break our laws with their children in tow?

Did not know that...
victor809
8 years ago
Choosing to separate parents and children over a misdemeanor is not exactly the norm here. But hey... I don't like children, I'm fine if we put them all in sweatshops making sneakers...

Trump changed a policy that was in place, his vice president specifically stated that they would do this as a disincentive to asylum seekers... If you don't think that that bears some level of responsibility then perhaps you should leave the "party of personal responsibility"...
tailgater
8 years ago

Choosing to separate parents and children over a misdemeanor is not exactly the norm here. But hey... I don't like children, I'm fine if we put them all in sweatshops making sneakers...

Trump changed a policy that was in place, his vice president specifically stated that they would do this as a disincentive to asylum seekers... If you don't think that that bears some level of responsibility then perhaps you should leave the "party of personal responsibility"...

victor809 wrote:



What policy did Trump change?

MACS
8 years ago

What policy did Trump change?

tailgater wrote:



That's what I'd like to know... I think what he meant to say was that Trump decided to allow ICE to enforce our policies.
tailgater
8 years ago
Don't answer for them.

They say it enough they think it will become true.

Friggin fascists.

victor809
8 years ago

What policy did Trump change?

tailgater wrote:



Are you kidding. Until it blew back in their face, the trump administration was bragging about it.

Here's the damn memo he wrote:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1049751/download?utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery 

What part of "zero tolerance policy" doesn't sound like a change to policy?

Later he bragged about it, and specifically stated that families would be separated
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/386634-sessions-illegal-border-crossers-will-be-prosecuted-families-may-be 

Then Nielsen threw her support behind it
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/18/sessions-and-nielsen-defend-trumps-zero-tolerance-immigration-policy.html 
Sessions doubled down with " We cannot and will not encourage people to bring their children by giving them blanket immunity from our laws"

This is a clear policy change, as I said. It isn't a law change, as the law was in place. It's a policy of zero tolerance prosecution of the law.... which has always worked so well with all the other "zero tolerance" policies we've had the government put in place.
MACS
8 years ago
Ehhhhhh...Ok. A "policy" of strictly enforcing an existing law. Splitting hairs, but fair enough. We should do that anyway.

Now he needs to eliminate the "anchor baby" scam. If you immigrated illegally, none of your progeny, born here or not, should be citizens.
DrafterX
8 years ago
I heard Obama was born in Kenya.. 😟
tailgater
8 years ago
So now enforcing existing laws is akin to a new policy.

And it's me victor claims doesn't understand english.



Here's the real truth.

Trump was tired of the border being like a sieve.
He told them to button it up. But he doesn't make laws (as Obama astutely pointed out on this very subject a few years ago) so the plan was to simply enforce the existing laws.

But when these laws that were written before Trump took office were suddenly enforced, the media shouted that Trump was to blame for separating families.
And the lemmings ran with it.
Blaming Trump for the media driven frenzy.
Blaming Trump for pictures of kids in cages from 4 years ago.
Blaming Trump when criminal adults are put into detention where kids aren't allowed. Where kids shouldn't be allowed.

TDR is strong with this one, obi wan.





tailgater
8 years ago
For the record, if I were king of the world I would make it a "policy" to enforce every current on the book.

If it's a bad law, then it needs to be removed. Written out of the book.

You either have laws, or you don't.

Our penchant for keeping laws intact and simply ignoring them is idiotic.
DrMaddVibe
8 years ago
Why does Lefty want open borders?
victor809
8 years ago
Tail... Policy was the trump administrations word, not mine. You have a problem with it go talk to that cluster of morons.

Additionally, from what I understand, the Obama administration policy was to release families and tell them to show up at a court date. Apparently a much higher percentage of them actually did show up at court dates than I would have expected.... I think I remember 80%...
DrafterX
8 years ago
Cause Bloody is stuck in a Chiken... 🤣
HuckFinn
8 years ago

Don't answer for them.

They say it enough they think it will become true.

Friggin fascists.

tailgater wrote:


Like Build That Wall!

Or "Lock Her Up!"

Or "Believe Me!"

Or "Nobody Knows!"

Or "Fake News!"

Or "No Collusion!"

Or "Illegal Immigrants! ALL Criminals! Rapists and Drug Dealers!"


Or "Democrats Hate America!"

Repetition does seem to have mesmerized some folks, you're right!

I can't decide who's dumber: Trump, or the people who continue to support him!
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