And one of those results is that our president sounds like a child on the world stage.

I don't care if you love the few accomplishments trump has had more than your left nut (or drafter's left nut even)... You simply can't wave away the things he says and the things he tweets as nothing.

Words have consequences. They signal to our enemies, they signal to our allies, they signal to our own citizens.

We now have our own citizens yelling racist crap at other citizens who they think are illegal immigrants... They are literally using the same words trump does. He has inspired them.

He could have changed his mind and done so in a way that didn't make himself sound like a spoiled, sniveling child so that his supporters could see how to act in the world. He chose not to. I will criticize him for being a terrible person.

victor809 wrote:

It isn't the "enforcing of the law" that is the issue...it is the manner in which the law is enforced...

Trump's change is that there is zero tolerance for anyone coming into the US at places other than gates of entry. All of them would be treated as invading criminals and be subjected to criminal proceedings and then deportation proceedings. Asylum seekers need not apply. The Trump administration also made the intentional choice to take children away from their families crossing into the US because it was believed that this would be so frightening a prospect that other invaders thinking about infesting our country would be deterred from doing it...they did so with more than 2,000 children without an adequate process of identifying the children and their families and re-uniting them...hence a "task force" has been created to re-unite kids with their families.... because these were illegal aliens, not people...infesters who didn't deserve to be treated like an American criminal...

I purposely used terms attributed to Trump and his people planning, implementing and defending their policy...if any of them hit a nerve, apologies...

only because they got outrage and backlash from all corners by just and moral people, on the right and on the left, from every corner of the globe...and an explanation that this policy was un-Constitutional, a violation of the 14th Amendment's equal protection clause....did the Trump WH reboot the policy...they did not get an injection of humanity, empathy, compassion or concern over the plight of the illegal aliens, a term they insist on using to continue to dehumanize fellow human beings...

just as that term, "Illegal Alien" was written into US law a century ago, to dehumanize Chinese immigrants...so our civil society hasn't advanced as far as we would like to think...

delta1 wrote:

Tail....you're right.

Obama is partially at fault for making black people decide that they don't like being shot by police, and start a protest movement against it. His presidency to some extent probably inspired them. Any violence that falls out from the protests is partially his fault

Just as Trump is partially at fault for making racists decide that they were tired of being told to keep their racist ideas quiet. As such they have their racist protests, and random racist rants against random brown people. His presidency inspired the racists. Any violence that falls out from racists protesting, marching, randomly attacking brown people is partially his fault.

If you think that your argument was a good one... And that drawing an equivalency between the BLM movement and racists is in any way a strong argument... Then you're probably polishing a tiki torches and learning the latest chants about Jews....

victor809 wrote:

Its a misdemeanor the first time and they do get due process especially when seeking asylum

I'm not aware of any other misdemeanor where we separate families indefinitely through adjudication. That's not to say it never happens, just not systematically. In here we have a tendency to find one instance and call it the norm.

teedubbya wrote:

If you get arrested on a Friday for a warrant on outstanding traffic tickets, you will be taken into custody and held in jail for the weekend(for failure to appear or pay tickets when due)....if you have your children with you they will be placed with youth services if you have no one to take them....at least that's how it went for me in Mass. about 30 years ago.

I got arrested on Friday of Labor Day weekend and remained in jail until court convened on Tuesday...my son was 4 years old.....luckily I was in Mass visiting family and someone could come get him, or he would have been placed with Youth Services

Actually that happened in No. Randolph as I was pulling out of Eli and Chris's Shell station....Frank will know where that is

RMAN4443 wrote:

I had the fat intern polish my tiki torch.
But thanks for asking.

tailgater wrote:

it' now a Mobil and it is YUGE!
Eli died a few months back, gigantic crowd at some Greek Church.
Chris has been a selectman for 25 years.

frankj1 wrote:

... perhaps the question is why aren't we?

I mean... Maybe it's a good idea to take children away when people are charged with misdemeanors?

Do we really want someone who doesn't pay outstanding traffic tickets raising a child? They clearly break the law... And then on top of it, they have no sense of personal responsibility in accepting their punishment. Are those the values we want a child to be raised with?

victor809 wrote: