ShanaC@CigarBid
7 years ago

I am pro choice, my friend Dan is pro life. I feel strongly that none of his tax money should fund abortions and twice as much of my tax money should fund abortions. I am not talking about him paying less taxes and me paying more taxes. Rather a redistribution of how part of our taxes are spent.

Also I think abortion is wrong, but feel a womans choice to control her own body takes precedence until such time as the fetus could become a viable human being outside of the womb.

Not looking for heated discussion, rather I thought these would be good discussions.

Speyside wrote:




Sounds good, but never turns out that way (sigh)
victor809
7 years ago
Hahahaha... Fine, you didn't say it should be illegal... You just decided to call women who don't want to have a kid but find themselves in that position "miserable b-tches".... You're a real mensch. I hope you told your friends you keep referencing that you think they're miserable b-tches.

More amusingly, you also want women who are forced to have an abortion for their own safety to be required to have 3 Drs agree AND to forgo having their own child ever... You realize that sort of policy would end up with lots of women who are at risk for pregnancy health simply dying because they don't want to be sterilized...

And even more amusingly you seem to have the opinion that all women want children. This opinion that it's driven by men who want to screw but don't want the responsibility is ridiculous. What about women who want to screw but don't want children? Dude... It's the 2010s... Women aren't all baby machines.
RMAN4443
7 years ago
Jane you ignorant misguided slut.....

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/weekend-update-42278/3007643 


Start video at 4:15....SNL from back in 1978

😰
Buckwheat
7 years ago
"Choose life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a FN big television, Choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players, and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol and dental insurance. Choose fixed-interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisure wear and matching luggage. Choose a three piece suite on hire purchase in a range of FN fabrics. Choose DIY and wondering who the F you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing FN junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, F'd-up brats you have spawned to replace yourselves. Choose your future. Choose life . . . But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life: I chose something else. And the reasons? There are no reasons."

And the updated version.

" 'Choose life' was a well meaning slogan from a 1980's anti-drug campaign and we used to add things to it, so I might say for example, choose... designer lingerie, in the vain hope of kicking some life back into a dead relationship. Choose handbags, choose high-heeled shoes, cashmere and silk, to make yourself feel what passes for happy. Choose an iPhone made in China by a woman who jumped out of a window and stick it in the pocket of your jacket fresh from a South-Asian Firetrap. Choose Facebook, Twitter, Snapchat, Instagram and a thousand others ways to spew your bile across people you've never met. Choose updating your profile, tell the world what you had for breakfast and hope that someone, somewhere cares. Choose looking up old flames, desperate to believe that you don't look as bad as they do. Choose live-blogging, from your first wank 'til your last breath; human interaction reduced to nothing more than data. Choose ten things you never knew about celebrities who've had surgery. Choose screaming about abortion. Choose rape jokes, slut-shaming, revenge porn and an endless tide of depressing misogyny. Choose 9/11 never happened, and if it did, it was the Jews. Choose a zero-hour contract and a two-hour journey to work. And choose the same for your kids, only worse, and maybe tell yourself that it's better that they never happened. And then sit back and smother the pain with an unknown dose of an unknown drug made in somebody's FN kitchen. Choose unfulfilled promise and wishing you'd done it all differently. Choose never learning from your own mistakes. Choose watching history repeat itself. Choose the slow reconciliation towards what you can get, rather than what you always hoped for. Settle for less and keep a brave face on it. Choose disappointment and choose losing the ones you love, then as they fall from view, a piece of you dies with them until you can see that one day in the future, piece by piece, they will all be gone and there'll be nothing left of you to call alive or dead. Choose your future, Veronika. Choose life."
tailgater
7 years ago

So... There's a few problems...

1- taxes don't fund abortions... So it's a weird thing to complain about (and don't give me the whole "they supplement it through paying for other services"... We've had that discussion, government funded activities are very precise about separating pools of money)
2- even if taxes funded abortions (which they don't) as someone said above, taxes we pay fund all sorts of things we don't agree with. Taxes fund wars some percentage of our population may not like, they fund welfare or health care which some percentage of our population may not like. To claim they can't fund abortions because you don't want it to happen is not really a great position. A religious pacifist could claim they shouldn't have to pay for any military taxes.

3- adoption doesn't solve the fundamental problem... We have too many people. Every damn kid born is another

victor809 wrote:



You mean there is no "fund abortion" earmark on the latest budget?


Question.
Because I don't know, and can't be bothered to look up.
Does the ACA cover abortion?
tailgater
7 years ago

It's funny you would say this. I was thinking of Billy while looking through this thread. I always found wheel's take on abortion and the sanctity of a human life interesting and, while I completely disagreed with him, I respected the hell out of him for standing up for it with no compromise.

JadeRose wrote:



He was standing?

tailgater
7 years ago



This opinion that it's driven by men who want to screw but don't want the responsibility is ridiculous. What about women who want to screw but don't want children? Dude... It's the 2010s... Women aren't all baby machines.

victor809 wrote:




Responsibility.
There's that word. Again.

How dare we, as a society, demand a woman take responsibility for getting prego.

Yet, don't we demand that a man take responsibility if the woman chooses to keep the kid?


DrafterX
7 years ago
Ya.. but he can choose to be a deadbeat... 😟
tailgater
7 years ago
When one side (pro choice) uses words like "her body, her choice", they try to simplify the topic. To make it appear there is a universal and simple solution.

There isn't.

I find the act of aborting a healthy unborn child to be horrific.
But I could never tell someone else they don't have that right.
And I can complain when my tax dollars get funneled directly or indirect into performing the act.

But worse than my tax dollars going into it, MUCH worse than me paying for all, is the cavalier attitude so many pro-choice advocates adopt. How they refuse to require educating the women prior to having that elective surgery. How their first question to learning their friend is pregnant is "are you going to keep it?".

And it's not a religious thing for me. According to the religious freaks, every load that doesn't land at the back of a vagina is a sin. And I'd be excommunicated by now.
But it is my opinion.


And for those who don't know: Pro-life and Choose-life are two distinctly separate battle cries.
I've witnessed pro-choicers get angry with people who advertised "Choose Life".
tailgater
7 years ago

Ya.. but he can choose to be a deadbeat... 😟

DrafterX wrote:



So a dad who wants nothing to do with the kid is a deadbeat.
But a mom who wants nothing to do with the kid is simply expressing a choice.

Got it.

victor809
7 years ago
Tail... I can't be azzed to look it up either but I'm 98.2% sure abortions are not funded by the ACA. I'm not even sure they're funded under medical emergencies...
victor809
7 years ago
... as for responsibility...
What the f--k do you think getting an abortion is? That's literally taking responsibility for becoming preggo and ensuring it does not result in an unwanted child.

If you get knocked up you have the following responsibility:
Making sure whatever thing you created doesn't make the world worse.

An abortion fulfills that responsibility.

What other responsibilities could one have?
victor809
7 years ago
Tail.... You find the idea of aborting a healthy unborn child horrific.
So?

I find the idea of a person having a child in this world horrific. Are you going to support my opinion? Somehow I doubt it. Both opinions are of as much value as a clump of aborted cells scraped out of the vacuum machine.... Actually less so... We could use those stem cells for research.

Do I think there is some inequality in the decision making between the woman and the man? Sure. But there's also inequality in the impact of having to feed the parasite for 9mo and the damage to ones body. There's also societal inequalities regarding the "deadbeat" status... So I'm fine with the woman being able to make the abort decision without the man's input. Ideally I'd like both sides to be able to pull the abort plug regardless of what the other side thinks, and make keeping it require both to sign on... But I know no one will agree with me on that.
Gene363
7 years ago

Hahahaha... Fine, you didn't say it should be illegal... You just decided to call women who don't want to have a kid but find themselves in that position "miserable b-tches".... You're a real mensch. I hope you told your friends you keep referencing that you think they're miserable b-tches.

More amusingly, you also want women who are forced to have an abortion for their own safety to be required to have 3 Drs agree AND to forgo having their own child ever... You realize that sort of policy would end up with lots of women who are at risk for pregnancy health simply dying because they don't want to be sterilized...

And even more amusingly you seem to have the opinion that all women want children. This opinion that it's driven by men who want to screw but don't want the responsibility is ridiculous. What about women who want to screw but don't want children? Dude... It's the 2010s... Women aren't all baby machines.

victor809 wrote:



I'm glad you can laugh about abortion, carry on, as I already said, "You can disagree all you want, twist my words around all day long but that is my opinion and you've offered nothing to change my opinion. In fact, your response confirms my opinion."
DrafterX
7 years ago
Deadbeat was a reference to the non- child support paying Bassards... That comes a little later I guess... 😟
delta1
7 years ago
seems most pro-lifers who want to make abortion illegal assume that a fetus becomes a "person" at conception, and is deserving of Constitutional rights and protection...

Roe v Wade does not hold that, nor has any court decision ruled that a fetus is a person...since we are a nation of laws...and that is the law of the land...abortion is not equivalent to homicide...

the only way to change that is to pass an amendment to the Constitution...
bgz
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  • Herf-A-Holic
7 years ago

... as for responsibility...
What the f--k do you think getting an abortion is? That's literally taking responsibility for becoming preggo and ensuring it does not result in an unwanted child.

If you get knocked up you have the following responsibility:
Making sure whatever thing you created doesn't make the world worse.

An abortion fulfills that responsibility.

What other responsibilities could one have?

victor809 wrote:



That's a good line, I'm going to steal that some night when I'm drinking and arguing with pro-lifers.
delta1
7 years ago
hmmmmm....I dunno.....that might make the world worse...
Ewok126
7 years ago

hmmmmm....I dunno.....that might make the world worse...

delta1 wrote:



Not if you the one having to deal with the lil stinking, money grubbing, ingrate, germ infested meat sack bastids. OOOPS did I say that outloud. My bad. They so cute and precious and bring a lot of awe and wonder to my life. Yeah that is what I meant to say. 😰 [sarcasm]
Buckwheat
7 years ago

You mean there is no "fund abortion" earmark on the latest budget?


Question.
Because I don't know, and can't be bothered to look up.
Does the ACA cover abortion?

tailgater wrote:



The short answer is no.
https://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20150119/BILLS-114-HR7-IH-Filed.xml 
https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/142 
However, some states do pay 100 percent of the cost of elective abortions without passing on any cost to the federal government.
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