bgz
  • bgz
  • Herf-A-Holic
7 years ago
From a cost savings perspective, it makes sense to fund them opposed to funding the alternative.

Abortions save tax payers money. I've thought about it, and logically come to that conclusion every time.

1000 abortions is cheaper in the long run than funding one life long "should have been aborted"... especially if you can negotiate bulk rates.

tailgater
7 years ago

Tail... I can't be azzed to look it up either but I'm 98.2% sure abortions are not funded by the ACA. I'm not even sure they're funded under medical emergencies...

victor809 wrote:



So they are paid for by the patient?

that doesn't sound accurate.


bgz
  • bgz
  • Herf-A-Holic
7 years ago
I looked it up, they're not that expensive.
opelmanta1900
7 years ago

From a cost savings perspective, it makes sense to fund them opposed to funding the alternative.

Abortions save tax payers money. I've thought about it, and logically come to that conclusion every time.

1000 abortions is cheaper in the long run than funding one life long "should have been aborted"... especially if you can negotiate bulk rates.

bgz wrote:


ya, really woulda saved a lot of money if we'd aborted einstein... or elon musk... or bill gates...

or are you just in favor of killing the kids of the poor (and jewish)?
victor809
7 years ago
As I stated earlier tail, I've paid for one. I literally gave them money for services. No one asked if she had insurance (there was no ACA at the time so I can't say for sure about the ACA) they simply gave me a cost.
tailgater
7 years ago

Tail.... You find the idea of aborting a healthy unborn child horrific.
So?

I find the idea of a person having a child in this world horrific. Are you going to support my opinion? Somehow I doubt it. Both opinions are of as much value as a clump of aborted cells scraped out of the vacuum machine.... Actually less so... We could use those stem cells for research.

Do I think there is some inequality in the decision making between the woman and the man? Sure. But there's also inequality in the impact of having to feed the parasite for 9mo and the damage to ones body. There's also societal inequalities regarding the "deadbeat" status... So I'm fine with the woman being able to make the abort decision without the man's input. Ideally I'd like both sides to be able to pull the abort plug regardless of what the other side thinks, and make keeping it require both to sign on... But I know no one will agree with me on that.

victor809 wrote:



I qualified my statement.



Gene363
7 years ago
Well abortion does pave the way for immigration.

Census Bureau published new data that show why the United States will need more immigrants, not fewer, in the coming decades.

Demographers and economists have been warning that the aging baby-boomer population presents a serious challenge to the nation’s finances, as the ratio of seniors to working-age adults—the age-dependency ratio—rises. The reason is straightforward: Social Security and Medicare are largely financed on a pay-as-you-go basis, which means that some of the taxes paid by current workers are transferred to current retirees. If the dependency ratio rises, the financial burden on the working-age population also increases.



https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/why-the-united-states-needs-more-immigrants 

tailgater
7 years ago

I looked it up, they're not that expensive.

bgz wrote:



Dude, people beotch about the cost of contraceptives. You think they'll pay for an abortion with complaining?
there is no way that most abortions are paid out of pocket, considering the demographic we're talking about.


tailgater
7 years ago

As I stated earlier tail, I've paid for one. I literally gave them money for services. No one asked if she had insurance (there was no ACA at the time so I can't say for sure about the ACA) they simply gave me a cost.

victor809 wrote:



You shoulda waited till the 3rd trimester.
You know: get your money's worth.
victor809
7 years ago
They're subsidized by donations tail.
The way planned Parenthood works is services prices vary based on your income. If you're claimed income is x, then services cost y.... Etc etc. People donate to planned Parenthood so that low income people can afford these services (any services from gynecology to birth control to abortion). The abortion side is funded solely through donations.
victor809
7 years ago
And people aren't complaining about cost because there's this weird stigma surrounding it.
No matter what the price do you think you're going to hear someone say "I can't believe how expensive my abortion last week was!!!"

Your strange belief that it must be paid for by someone else because you haven't heard "that demographic" complain about the cost is... Weird and nonsensical.
victor809
7 years ago
Couldn't wait until 3rd trimester. Bush was in office and she was panicking that he'd pass a law making 1st trimester illegal.
victor809
7 years ago
(and no... That isn't a joke. She literally was in a panic that a law would be passed making it illegal before she got the appointment) I don't think she was fully thinking through the lawmaking process, but given the circumstances I let it slide.
tailgater
7 years ago

They're subsidized by donations tail.
The way planned Parenthood works is services prices vary based on your income. If you're claimed income is x, then services cost y.... Etc etc. People donate to planned Parenthood so that low income people can afford these services (any services from gynecology to birth control to abortion). The abortion side is funded solely through donations.

victor809 wrote:



You do realize that federal dollars fund Planned Parenthood. Don't you?

victor809
7 years ago
Yes.

They fund some of the services.

They don't fund abortions. You've tried pushing that myth as well.
victor809
7 years ago
I just looked it up...
Government $$ is approx 543MM
Non govt health services 318MM
Private donations 532Mm

The government pays for less than half of planned Parenthood operations.
tailgater
7 years ago

I just looked it up...
Government $$ is approx 543MM
Non govt health services 318MM
Private donations 532Mm

The government pays for less than half of planned Parenthood operations.

victor809 wrote:



If Uncle Sam pulled the plug yesterday, do you think it would impact their abortion services?
victor809
7 years ago
Sigh...
Of course. But that's an intentionally misleading question.

Two fiscally separate groups contributing to a shared space will both be impacted if either party pulled out. That doesn't mean they're funding each other.
victor809
7 years ago
Your college roommate's parents weren't funding your kitchen use simply because they paid his half of the rent.
bgz
  • bgz
  • Herf-A-Holic
7 years ago

ya, really woulda saved a lot of money if we'd aborted einstein... or elon musk... or bill gates...

or are you just in favor of killing the kids of the poor (and jewish)?

opelmanta1900 wrote:



If it wasn't them it would have been someone else.


If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants

IsaacNewton wrote:



And no, I'm not in favor of killing poor kids... fetuses are not kids.

But yes, if a mother does not have the means to take care of a kid, I'm in favor of her having the option and even encouraging her to have an abortion.

She will be better off in the long run and can have kids later in life when she's better equipped to have them.



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