bgz
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7 years ago

Well abortion does pave the way for immigration.



https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/why-the-united-states-needs-more-immigrants 

Gene363 wrote:



So your solution is to repeat our perpetual mistake of overpopulating the world for the sake of the old people indefinitely forever?

Got it.

I have no problem with immigrants that are here legally.

Maybe we should encourage 3rd world countries to embrace abortions.
victor809
7 years ago
Bgz is correct when he says "if it wasn't them it would have been someone else"...
While there are people who have made great intuitive leaps in science, their having done it doesn't mean no other person wasn't trying to figure the same thing out. And may have done it.

Anti abortion people love to cite famous people who have done or discovered great things and say "you might abort the next x!"...but that's a terrible argument.

For all we know, we may have discovered e=mc^2 decades earlier if Joe's mother had aborted him. But no... He grew up and killed the next master of physics, Fred in a botched mugging.... So we had to wait until Einstein discovered these things.
Gene363
7 years ago

So your solution is to repeat our perpetual mistake of overpopulating the world for the sake of the old people indefinitely forever?

Got it.

I have no problem with immigrants that are here legally.

Maybe we should encourage 3rd world countries to embrace abortions.

bgz wrote:



Legal immigrants are fine with me. As for the 3rd world, birth control is a good start, sadly, the funding of which was cut or ended over concerns with abortion.

The statistics, at least in in this case, are clear, developed nations are not having enough babies to sustain their population. 3rd world nations are reproducing like crazy, it cannot go on forever and may end in some ugly way. Time for Mother Nature to spread another pandemic decease and save the planet.
opelmanta1900
7 years ago

If it wasn't them it would have been someone else.



And no, I'm not in favor of killing poor kids... fetuses are not kids.

But yes, if a mother does not have the means to take care of a kid, I'm in favor of her having the option and even encouraging her to have an abortion.

She will be better off in the long run and can have kids later in life when she's better equipped to have them.



bgz wrote:



I get it... You've made very clear this is about money to you... You hate the poor and you don't want them having your money and your solution is to stop them from breeding... Not very original, just historically that kind of extreme hate for the poor is generally accompanied by hatred for jews or Armenians or Roma... Or as is the historical case for abortion, blacks...
bgz
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7 years ago

I get it... You've made very clear this is about money to you... You hate the poor and you don't want them having your money and your solution is to stop them from breeding... Not very original, just historically that kind of extreme hate for the poor is generally accompanied by hatred for jews or Armenians or Roma... Or as is the historical case for abortion, blacks...

opelmanta1900 wrote:



I said the woman would be better off aborting if she's not at a position in life to properly care for a child (still her choice mind you). Where You would rather see a bunch of struggling mothers with fatherless kids...

I would rather allow the mothers to have an opportunity to have a shot at life and let them decide when to have children and not decide it for them.

You're the azzhole here, not me;)
bgz
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7 years ago

Legal immigrants are fine with me. As for the 3rd world, birth control is a good start, sadly, the funding of which was cut or ended over concerns with abortion.

The statistics, at least in in this case, are clear, developed nations are not having enough babies to sustain their population. 3rd world nations are reproducing like crazy, it cannot go on forever and may end in some ugly way. Time for Mother Nature to spread another pandemic decease and save the planet.

Gene363 wrote:



Pretty sure the planet will be just fine if we blow ourselves up.
Gene363
7 years ago

Pretty sure the planet will be just fine if we blow ourselves up.

bgz wrote:



OK, but you first. 😇
opelmanta1900
7 years ago

I said the woman would be better off aborting if she's not at a position in life to properly care for a child.

bgz wrote:


Right... Like poor people... And blacks and jews... I told you, you're not original... Hitler was all about it... He was just more efficient than you...
bgz
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7 years ago

Right... Like poor people... And blacks and jews... I told you, you're not original... Hitler was all about it... He was just more efficient than you...

opelmanta1900 wrote:



Are you saying whites, Latinas and Asians can't have an unwanted pregnancy at an inopportune time?

That's a pretty racist position dude.

Because you only think it applies to blacks and Jews, if a Jewish crackhead got pregnant, you're saying you would rather force the mother to go through with the pregnancy even though the child's life will likely be hell?

You're a monster.
opelmanta1900
7 years ago
No, you're the one who made it about poverty and your tax dollars... For you this has been about money over life since the beginning of the discussion... Nice try though... That probably works on that backdoor neighbors site you frequent...
tailgater
7 years ago

Sigh...
Of course. But that's an intentionally misleading question.

Two fiscally separate groups contributing to a shared space will both be impacted if either party pulled out. That doesn't mean they're funding each other.

victor809 wrote:



That's precisely what it means.


Your college roommate's parents weren't funding your kitchen use simply because they paid his half of the rent.

victor809 wrote:



Actually, they are funding my kitchen. Because I can't afford the kitchen without them. I can only live there with them paying half.

Let's put this in terms you might understand.

You have a barrel with 10 gallons of pure water.
I jokingly add an ounce of concentrated urine I found in TW's cupboard.
You get angry, so I remove an ounce from the barrel.

Do you now have 1,280 ounces of pure water again?

The two things are not separate.
Even if all of the baby-killing operational fees are kept separate, there is overlap in the administration costs. Planned parenthood would need LESS overhead without their death factory operation. Heck, I'd say they could operate with a skeleton crew, but that's a dark pun and in reality no government agency is that savvy.

This is not my fight.
I don't want back ally abortions. Ever.
But I hate it when people lie about the funding. Or when they don't understand but will embrace the party line anyway.

Truth be told and aborted baby might cost us less in the long run.
But we'll never know.
Maybe that aborted baby was the next Einstein. Or Victor6969. Or Trump.

bgz
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7 years ago

No, you're the one who made it about poverty and your tax dollars... For you this has been about money over life since the beginning of the discussion... Nice try though... That probably works on that backdoor neighbors site you frequent...

opelmanta1900 wrote:



That's my primary argument when arguing with people who are supposedly anti-regulation.

You are anti-regulation aren't you?

If you say yes, then you are my target audience.

You can spin it however you want... you're still a monster.
bgz
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7 years ago


Maybe that aborted baby was the next Einstein. Or Victor6969. Or Trump.

tailgater wrote:



We already killed that argument.
tailgater
7 years ago

We already killed that argument.

bgz wrote:



I wasn't arguing.


victor809
7 years ago
Tail... That's not logical.
Why, in your scenario, is government funding abortion? What about abortion donations and fees subsidizing the facility so it can perform mammograms or whatever?
Of the services provided, only 3% are abortions. Does private donations look anything close to only 3% of revenue?

Face it... Private donations for abortion are funding your government sponsored STI testing....
bgz
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7 years ago

I wasn't arguing.

tailgater wrote:



We already shot down that bullet?

Already swatted the fly?

Already shut off that switch?

Already pummeled that position?

I'll let you pick the semantics I guess... in any case, that particular statement is not valid.
tailgater
7 years ago
So let's see what we've learned:

A. purposely killing a beating heart is not killing at all.
B. Abortions are free to taxpayers. Heck, they save us money.
C. Donations pay for abortions. Like a GoFundMe page or something.
D. Our federal tax dollars pay for Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood pays for abortions. But our federal tax dollars don't pay for abortions.
E. Mothers can choose to abort even if the father doesn't want to.
F. Mothers can keep it even if the father wants to abort.
G. Mothers who keep it can then require the father to pay support.


Did I miss anything?
tailgater
7 years ago

We already shot down that bullet?

Already swatted the fly?

Already shut off that switch?

Already pummeled that position?

I'll let you pick the semantics I guess... in any case, that particular statement is not valid.

bgz wrote:



I missed it.
How is it not valid?

And so you know, I'm not using it as a reason to NOT have an abortion. that's why I included Victor in the mix. I'm just curious how it's not valid in your mind.

tailgater
7 years ago

Tail... That's not logical.
Why, in your scenario, is government funding abortion? What about abortion donations and fees subsidizing the facility so it can perform mammograms or whatever?
Of the services provided, only 3% are abortions. Does private donations look anything close to only 3% of revenue?

Face it... Private donations for abortion are funding your government sponsored STI testing....

victor809 wrote:



Like a GoFundMe for abortions.
Brilliant!

bgz
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7 years ago

I missed it.
How is it not valid?

And so you know, I'm not using it as a reason to NOT have an abortion. that's why I included Victor in the mix. I'm just curious how it's not valid in your mind.

tailgater wrote:




Well, seeing how you included Victor6969 (I'm assuming that's the aborted victor), then another victor... victor9696 would ultimately fill the void if necessary.

RIP Victor6969... could have been the next cunning linguist.
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