tailgater
7 years ago

no one really believes Trump is directing lunatics to act out, nor do I personally believe he derives any pleasure from these atrocities.

climates do change though, they swing back and forth with the leanings and turnover of the parties in charge as we dance around the center politically.

currently, a soft tolerance has been inferred, even if not purposely implied. Europe is seeing an even stronger move in that direction.


frankj1 wrote:




But that's not what we're hearing. People are blaming President Trump. Literally, figuratively, directly and indirectly.

Last week Hillary said "we can't be civil".
4 days later she asked for civility.
Is she to blame?
Wouldn't telling the left to be uncivil provoke an equal response from the right?

This isn't a societal problem. Our society says that sending pipe bombs is wrong. When someone does it they are breaking out from the societal norms. They are fringe actors taking drastic measures.

It's not about an acceptable level of "soft tolerance". That could explain confronting a politician while out to dinner. It could maybe lead to civil discourse during a political rally.
But it in no way leads to sending pipe bombs in the mail.
The blame begins and ends with the guilty party.

Why do we feel compelled to blame someone or something else when a person commits a heinous crime?
tailgater
7 years ago

we did get to enjoy your virtual/cell phone company a couple years back at the last MAHole Herf.
Theodore, the c-bidder formally known as Bucky, called you if I recall correctly.

frankj1 wrote:



Steve is good peeps.

(like my ghetto slang?)

victor809
7 years ago
Tail... Don't be an idiot.

I gave a literal factual example of the president of the United States identifying specific groups as literally"enemy of the people".

Just because Joe schmoe in an editorial of the Ballard weekly gazette says something bad about trump doesn't create an equivalency. No matter how badly you want it to.

You would notice that anyone else who has reached that level of influence has a much different demeanor, and isn't calling for violence against anyone.
opelmanta1900
7 years ago
Isn't blaming trump for this incident akin to blaming the Muslim religion when an Islamic terrorist blows up a suicide bomb or blaming grand theft auto when someone runs from the police?

Don't the actions of a crazy man belong to the crazy man? Like eminem said, "I just said it... I didn't know if you'd do it or not..."
opelmanta1900
7 years ago
Also like Madonna said, "Yes, I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House"...
ZRX1200
7 years ago
https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=0s&list=LLbTz5CCyNKfz5MQmaUciVZw&v=vk_CcuTerM8&index=3
RMAN4443
7 years ago

Also like Madonna said, "Yes, I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House"...

opelmanta1900 wrote:


I heard Kathy Griffin's severed head stunt was really nothing more than an invitation to a tea party....[-(
RMAN4443
7 years ago
and hoopi and the rest of the girls on "The View" are just kidding....8-[
ZRX1200
7 years ago
Their show is a joke if that counts.
victor809
7 years ago
If the "pope" called abortion clinics the enemy of God, and a Catholic tried blowing them up, I would argue he bears responsibility. If whatever pope Islam has called Americans the enemy of Allah, and an Islam tried blowing us up, I would say they bear some responsibility (incidentally they don't have a single head of their religion, so it simply doesn't fit easily).

The difference is that when most people rise to power they learn to keep their mouths shut, and be more diplomatic when it comes to their opposition. You'll be hard pressed to find someone at a level near trump who acts as recklessly as he does (unless you go back in history, or include 3rd world despots). Entertainers hardly count as they are not expected to provide leadership, that's not the role they play in society.

All the whataboutism from the theoretical party of responsibility is hilarious though.
tailgater
7 years ago

Tail... Don't be an idiot.

I gave a literal factual example of the president of the United States identifying specific groups as literally"enemy of the people".

Just because Joe schmoe in an editorial of the Ballard weekly gazette says something bad about trump doesn't create an equivalency. No matter how badly you want it to.

You would notice that anyone else who has reached that level of influence has a much different demeanor, and isn't calling for violence against anyone.

victor809 wrote:



Is this a serious post?

Politicians in the highest ranks have badmouthed the President since before he took his oath.

the fact that you ignore this shows your true colors.


As for the President himself? Yes, I agree. He shouldn't say much of what he does.
But that doesn't mean he's to blame here.

60 million people voted for him.
One chose to send pipe bombs.

Why did the other 59,999,999 ignore him?

You're such a pawn for the liberal media it isn't even funny anymore.

dstieger
7 years ago

Tell me about the evils of nationalism vs globalism without the rhetoric of racism and jingoism.

ZRX1200 wrote:



I'd never get into a discussion while suggesting that ether nationalism or globalism is evil. Seems like a silly hypothetical. However, I did learn (after the Pittsburgh shooting) something I was oblivious to. Apparently some lunatic fringes 'believe' (or say or presume..) that there is a strong association between Jewish people and 'globalists', however they define globalists. I had no idea and don't know the origination. Entirely possible that Trump wasn't aware before he lit into globalists, either. But, he should be aware now....and I'd appreciate it ...that if he feels the need to hold up globalization as an Evil Threat, that he get off the rally sound bites for a minute and explain what he means; so as to perhaps give the crazies a bit of a gut check.....or at least prevent them from claiming that Trump emboldened, if not supported, them.

I'm feeling like a broken record, but once again, I think that Trump could go a long ways towards what I might consider appropriate presidenting by calling out unsupportable ideas and people, even if they voted for him.
opelmanta1900
7 years ago

If the "pope" called abortion clinics the enemy of God, and a Catholic tried blowing them up, I would argue he bears responsibility. If whatever pope Islam has called Americans the enemy of Allah, and an Islam tried blowing us up, I would say they bear some responsibility (incidentally they don't have a single head of their religion, so it simply doesn't fit easily).

victor809 wrote:


I know why I think these things are wrong to do, but why do you? If you can kill someone who stands in the way of your idea of progress and not get in trouble and not be destroyed by inward guilt, isn't that a sign of a more highly evolved individual? Hitler got close to making the world just how he wanted... Had he not been stopped, would we not be a much more evolved people, free of Jews and non whites, living in peace and harmony, and capable of taking life without feeling remorse?
ZRX1200
7 years ago
Dave, those would be anti-zionists.

And they can be wackadoodles who happen to be anti-globalists as it can squeeze into their doctrine. And can be very anti-Semitic
dstieger
7 years ago
I'm sorta ignorant about most 'anti-*ists'...if asked, I wouldn't be able to explain the difference between an anti-Semitic and an anti-Zionist...then again, up until now, I thought I might be able to explain what a globalist was...not even sure of that atm
ZRX1200
7 years ago
You might be better for it bro.
dstieger
7 years ago
This morning's Trumptweet:
There is great anger in our Country caused in part by inaccurate, and even fraudulent, reporting of the news. The Fake News Media, the true Enemy of the People, must stop the open & obvious hostility & report the news accurately & fairly. That will do much to put out the flame...
8:03 AM - Oct 29, 2018

This morning's news:
"A suspicious package addressed to CNN was intercepted Monday in Georgia, the network said, the latest discovery coming after a week in which more than a dozen parcels containing pipe bombs were mailed to prominent Democrats and the network’s New York City bureau."

I won't ever blame Trump solely for the actions of a nutjob....but if you deny that he is a major contributor to an environment that fosters more of them taking reprehensible action, you just might want to try being a little more honest with yourself.
opelmanta1900
7 years ago
The actions each and everyone one of us takes or fails to take ripple through the pond of humanity with widespread effect that we are forever unaware of... I won't blame you solely, but perhaps you should look at the connecting between the life of luxury you live and the lives of poverty lived by those who build the very luxuries you enjoy...
opelmanta1900
7 years ago
#nicaraguanlivesmatter
dstieger
7 years ago
PM me an address and I'll send 'em a dollar....


But, I submit that Trump makes bigger ripples than I do
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