MACS
7 years ago

What’s funny MACS is I almost posted Spike and Chester too!

ZRX1200 wrote:



Yup... Chester and Spike... and ol' Chester is getting bolder. Yappy li'l thing.
tailgater
7 years ago

They've told you why they are protesting. They did not use any political terms. You have decided to blame it on "identity politics"" (to be fair to you, you only think that because the article you read told you to call it identity politics, your refusal to point out how it's "identity politics" despite my many requests that you do so pretty much proves that).


it actually does dismiss it... completely.... from many angles.
Your initial complaint wanted to stress "students from a prestigious LAW school" these are interior designers... or some other nonsense... your initial complaint only focused on the weinstein defense, but the reality is the petition clearly states an additional reason, one which is very logical.... so even if a law student were supporting this petition, that's not terrible.


You still haven't shown how petitioning against this particular professor even is identity politics. I'm not even sure you know what identity politics is at this point.

You certainly don't know what "top down" means.
It's laughable. Your logical leap is "grass roots petitions from students protesting decisions made by faculty is practically proof that the liberal trigger du jour has trickled down to the students".....

By your logic it rained today... so it's gonna be a really dry summer.

Do better tail. You know... be best.

victor809 wrote:






If you think the protest is anything other than political then you're simply not paying attention.
You don't need the dog to say the words in order to know it's hungry. Sometimes you have to fill in the blanks.

And the grass roots nature does nothing to dismiss the top-down political climate.
Kids get their belief system from their parents, not the other way around. Hell, so many classrooms nowadays are nothing more than petrie dishes to incubate the professor's agenda. If a group of students express a collective opinion it doesn't diminish the influence from the top. I'm sure there are examples where a protest is formed to express disdain for the top, but in those instances it's made very clear. This is not one of those cases.

As for whether it's identity politics? One would have to believe that Harvard doesn't have a culture that fosters the SJW in their students. This is a step forwards, away from the safety of the keyboard. But it appears obvious (to me) that the students are hardly mad the dean will miss a few hours. This is about #MeToo in general, and Weinstein himself specifically.
And I know I could be wrong.
And that would be worthy of a discussion. But your MO is to attack attack attack. Then google sidenotes that are related but unimportant. Then attack again. Rinse. Repeat.
ZRX1200
7 years ago
Indeed.

That last recreation of his previous post was hilarious.....trying to step out of the showdow while he yells at someone 😂
teedubbya
7 years ago
It has been a long time since I have been in a classroom. I sort of know what is happening in my daughters but even then not so much. I couldn't tell you what is happening in so many classrooms with any authority. So in that case I'm out. I think I'll go self pleasure.
ZRX1200
7 years ago
See you after the commercial break
teedubbya
7 years ago
Done. Also had time to go to quicktrip for a drink.
tailgater
7 years ago

is there a political side not opposed to sexual harassment/assault?

frankj1 wrote:




Is there a political side that IS opposed to due process and the presumption of innocence?


Or better yet:

Is there a political side not opposed to murder?

Because it is my understanding that the SAME professor was part of Aaron Hernandez's defense team.
And guess what?
No protest.

Huh.





tailgater
7 years ago
For the record, Weinstein is a disgusting person who is being used as the scapegoat for everything vile that IS hollywood.
Everyone was his buddy.
Everyone "knew" the rumors.
But nobody said anything until it hit the fan.

Graphene has more depth than most of the beautiful people in LaLa land.

Fact.


teedubbya
7 years ago
I don't think everyone was his buddy. I don't even think many liked him. They pretended. I think many knew the rumors but lacked integrity to do or say anything out of fear and greed. They tolerated and considered it "pragmatic" Weinstein fed off that for a long time before the levee broke. Ultimately the levee always breaks, something the Republican party is forgetting at the moment.
victor809
7 years ago




If you think the protest is anything other than political then you're simply not paying attention.
You don't need the dog to say the words in order to know it's hungry. Sometimes you have to fill in the blanks.

And the grass roots nature does nothing to dismiss the top-down political climate.
Kids get their belief system from their parents, not the other way around. Hell, so many classrooms nowadays are nothing more than petrie dishes to incubate the professor's agenda. If a group of students express a collective opinion it doesn't diminish the influence from the top. I'm sure there are examples where a protest is formed to express disdain for the top, but in those instances it's made very clear. This is not one of those cases.

As for whether it's identity politics? One would have to believe that Harvard doesn't have a culture that fosters the SJW in their students. This is a step forwards, away from the safety of the keyboard. But it appears obvious (to me) that the students are hardly mad the dean will miss a few hours. This is about #MeToo in general, and Weinstein himself specifically.
And I know I could be wrong.
And that would be worthy of a discussion. But your MO is to attack attack attack. Then google sidenotes that are related but unimportant. Then attack again. Rinse. Repeat.

tailgater wrote:



.... and your MO is to not provide any supporting data to back up your assertions. You have these "feelings" you are basing your ideas on. "classrooms nowadays are nothing more than petri dishes to incubate the professor's agenda", "harvard has a culture that fosters the SJW in their students"... these are not substantiated. People get ideas like this in their head and they then fit a narrative around it. As you have.

You've twisted it so much that in your mind, the top-down political identity agenda has caused the students to start a grass-roots movement against a faculty member above them. This completely ignores the fact that if ideas are being pushed down from the top, the faculty member they are protesting would have also had this influence. In your mind it jumped around him to the bottom. Its convoluted. There's a possible simple answer.... some students were uncomfortable with the idea of a professor who's job it is to defend accused rapists to be their "go-to" guy for if they need to talk about being sexually harassed. Some others supported that. Hey... doesn't require a convoluted map to show how the illuminati vampires instruct the professors to subliminally influence the students to protest other professors, while simultaneously putting drugs in their water to inoculate them against conservatives.


You are trying to fit this into something that it really doesn't belong in.

And hilariously, as frank suggested, you probably shouldn't. Making sexual assault a political point is.... not smart?
victor809
7 years ago

Is there a political side that IS opposed to due process and the presumption of innocence?


Or better yet:

Is there a political side not opposed to murder?

Because it is my understanding that the SAME professor was part of Aaron Hernandez's defense team.
And guess what?
No protest.

Huh.

tailgater wrote:


So I had to look him up... Hernandez murdered another player or something?

So this basically proves you have no understanding of what they are protesting.

If the professor had a role which involved being the guy students should go to if a faculty member or other student murdered them... then maybe this would be relevant?

You're not being smart here tail.
frankj1
7 years ago

Is there a political side that IS opposed to due process and the presumption of innocence?


Or better yet:

Is there a political side not opposed to murder?

Because it is my understanding that the SAME professor was part of Aaron Hernandez's defense team.
And guess what?
No protest.

Huh.





tailgater wrote:


seems off point to me. Admittedly I did not pore over the post but if I am correct, the students are not comfortable with this Dorm Dean as the go to in their house if counseling is needed about sexual assault/harassment incidents.

edit: had not seen Victor's reply to same post
frankj1
7 years ago

For the record, Weinstein is a disgusting person

tailgater wrote:




tg also wrote: Is there a political side that IS opposed to due process and the presumption of innocence

well, he isn't a disgusting person...yet...if we presume innocence.

HA!
tailgater
7 years ago

I don't think everyone was his buddy. I don't even think many liked him. They pretended. I think many knew the rumors but lacked integrity to do or say anything out of fear and greed. They tolerated and considered it "pragmatic" Weinstein fed off that for a long time before the levee broke. Ultimately the levee always breaks, something the Republican party is forgetting at the moment.

teedubbya wrote:



Oh.
They lacked integrity.

Much different from what I said....

tailgater
7 years ago

Making sexual assault a political point is.... not smart?

victor809 wrote:



That's the purpose of my post.
They really shouldn't.


tailgater
7 years ago

So I had to look him up... Hernandez murdered another player or something?

So this basically proves you have no understanding of what they are protesting.

If the professor had a role which involved being the guy students should go to if a faculty member or other student murdered them... then maybe this would be relevant?

You're not being smart here tail.

victor809 wrote:



He murdered a non player.

As for the rest, you're not being consistent.

First, you chastise me and claim you have proof that the students are aghast because the "dean" won't have time to be house mother.

Now you seem to be saying that they're just upset because it's a well known fact lawyers who defend a sex maniac can't be trusted if you get sexually molested yourself.

Remind me not to ask the local criminal defense attorney to babysit.
Your wisdom is appreciated, Vic.




Disclaimer: I did not read any minds in the typing of this post.


Speyside
7 years ago
You know, it would be fun if you did some Nostradamus like predictions based on use of a scrying bowl.
tailgater
7 years ago

seems off point to me. Admittedly I did not pore over the post but if I am correct, the students are not comfortable with this Dorm Dean as the go to in their house if counseling is needed about sexual assault/harassment incidents.

edit: had not seen Victor's reply to same post

frankj1 wrote:



Not off point, based on your post.
You asked "is there a political side not opposed to sexual harassment/assault?"

This suggests that the student protest is justified, because Weinstein committed sexual harassment and assault.

My counter point is concise and accurate. The same professor/dean was on the defense team for a murderer.
Yet no protest.


My take, based on everything above: the protest is political.

#MeToo is rekindled in the hallowed halls of Cambridge.

Which is fine. Sexual harassment is a terrible thing.
But they're trying to obscure the real impetus. Just like victor is doing.
I make no apologies for seeing the politics of their angst.
tailgater
7 years ago

You know, it would be fun if you did some Nostradamus like predictions based on use of a scrying bowl.

Speyside wrote:



I predict you'll wake up tomorrow as a whiny little b1tch.

What do I win?
Speyside
7 years ago
Just my laughter. Probably my contempt also. No, wait, you already have that.
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