Speyside
7 years ago
Seems like these students do understand the constitution, freedom of speech. The world has passed you by and this angers you every time you see it. This is understandable. Your point of view has became obsolete, except within the group that holds the viewpoint. This group was the majority for a very long time. Now they are the minority. Year by year this minority will be smaller and smaller. Are you already a dinosaur, you just don't see it. You miss the obvious, to the majority of Americans your opinion is worthless. But you will go right on attempting to marginalize what the reality in front of you instead of trying to understand it. Our country is supposed to represent all our people, not just part of the people like you.
opelmanta1900
7 years ago
#girlpower #yougogirl
victor809
7 years ago
HAHAHAHAH

Yeah... you're going to start with an article that uses the term "triggered" in the title. they already know their audience.

Ok... there's a lot to unpack here. Tons of misinformation, assumptions and general "tailgater" style arguments.

1 - You complained about law students. Your "evidence" of how "law students" think is based on a quote from a Visual and Environmental Studies major. Good work there.
2 - The "change.org" petition mentioned in your article also mentions his defense of the economics professor who "engaged in unwelcome sexual conduct stretching back years and that he created a hostile environment for women at the Education Innovation Labs". That's left out of the article of course. Both actions occurred within 2 weeks of each other.
3 - Again... house dean. Literally the dude that the students are supposed to contact. They want him removed as house dean... not fired as faculty.

So... you've shifted your goalposts again.
You were trying to go after "students at our most prestigious law school"

Now you're complaining about "triggered" environmental studies majors.

victor809
7 years ago
It's funny because there's a lot of assumptions here based on "names".

Harvard is involved... so people assume it's students who know anything about law.
The term "Dean" is used. so people assume it has something to do with education....

At closer look, it appears that the House Dean is a position faculty hold to identify them as someone the students of a house can go and talk to if they have problems. ie... if they think that they are being harassed by their teacher. It isn't inconceivable that a student who has been sexually harassed by their professor wouldn't want to go and talk to a dude who's acting as defense attorney for a very public sexual assault case. That has nothing to do with law... or with guilt or innocence... or even really with who the lawyer is. It's simply that he would not be as effective at his job due to this.

But the article's sell ad clicks to people like tail if they say:
"Triggered Harvard students protest Faculty Dean because they don't understand law!"
rfenst
7 years ago
Much ado about nothing.
victor809
7 years ago
"Faculty Deans
Each Harvard House is under the leadership of Faculty Deans, living in residence. Among varied duties of the Faculty Deans, the role of academic officer in the residential college system is preeminent. In addition, Faculty Deans are responsible for all House staff, tutorial and Senior Common Room appointments. In short, Faculty Deans set the tone for the House in its activities and in its function as a close-knit community within the context of a larger college and university."

They're overqualified RAs.....
tailgater
7 years ago
I googled "Harvard Weinstein"

Nothing more. Nothing less.

First two hits required log in.

Sorry to upset you so much.


And nice deflection, not answering any questions because my first post upset you.

Which speaks volumes.


tailgater
7 years ago

Seems like these students do understand the constitution, freedom of speech. The world has passed you by and this angers you every time you see it. This is understandable. Your point of view has became obsolete, except within the group that holds the viewpoint. This group was the majority for a very long time. Now they are the minority. Year by year this minority will be smaller and smaller. Are you already a dinosaur, you just don't see it. You miss the obvious, to the majority of Americans your opinion is worthless. But you will go right on attempting to marginalize what the reality in front of you instead of trying to understand it. Our country is supposed to represent all our people, not just part of the people like you.

Speyside wrote:



It's fun when you chime in on an adult conversation.

tailgater
7 years ago
Look no further than the petition.

Despite my admitted bias, I am deadly accurate with my assessment.

Sorry if that's offensive.

No really though.


KingoftheCove
7 years ago

"Faculty Deans
Each Harvard House is under the leadership of Faculty Deans, living in residence. Among varied duties of the Faculty Deans, the role of academic officer in the residential college system is preeminent. In addition, Faculty Deans are responsible for all House staff, tutorial and Senior Common Room appointments. In short, Faculty Deans set the tone for the House in its activities and in its function as a close-knit community within the context of a larger college and university."

They're overqualified RAs.....

victor809 wrote:


Back in 74, I did the dorm thing as a freshman.
My RA was a pot smoking alcoholic................I feel cheated...
tailgater
7 years ago
I was an RA for two years.

My son is in the dorms at my alma mater.

I wouldn't have been an RA (or in the dorms) if they had today's rules back then.



victor809
7 years ago

I googled "Harvard Weinstein"

Nothing more. Nothing less.

First two hits required log in.

Sorry to upset you so much.


And nice deflection, not answering any questions because my first post upset you.

Which speaks volumes.


tailgater wrote:



yeah, I googled harvard weinstein protest. It worked great. I apparently got better information than you did.

Funny how that works.
victor809
7 years ago

Look no further than the petition.

Despite my admitted bias, I am deadly accurate with my assessment.

Sorry if that's offensive.

No really though.


tailgater wrote:



Did you even read the petition?

First paragraph:
"Winthrop Dean Ronald Sullivan is representing Harvey Weinstein in his sexual assault court case. There is also evidence to believe Sullivan has defended Professor Fryer, an Economics Professor who allegedly engaged "in unwelcome sexual conduct stretching back years and that he created a hostile environment for women at the Education Innovation Labs" (quote The Harvard Crimson, linked below)."


And again... your initial argument was that "students at the country's most prestigious law school ....."

The petition was started by a student who has nothing to do with law. If you can't understand that, I really can't help you.

I went to a reasonably prestigious science and medicine university. My close friend was a history major who literally couldn't understand calculus and never took a single math course. If he had started a "change.org" protest against differential calculus, would you have a fit too?
tailgater
7 years ago





I went to a reasonably prestigious science and medicine university. My close friend was a history major who literally couldn't understand calculus and never took a single math course. If he had started a "change.org" protest against differential calculus, would you have a fit too?

victor809 wrote:



No.
In fact, even as an engineering major I'd have joined him.
Calculus and Differential Equations sucked. I once proved it by using a derivative.


tailgater
7 years ago

yeah, I googled harvard weinstein protest. It worked great. I apparently got better information than you did.

Funny how that works.

victor809 wrote:



The point was that I didn't google any the key words you claim I did.
But you knew that, it just doesn't fit your narrative.


You're all over the place Vic.

I say the students protest because of identity politics.
You say it's because they're afraid their RA will be MIA during the nights.
I show you proof that the politics aren't just a part of the reason, they're the MAIN reason.
You cry about me "moving the goalposts".

You have a small bundle of canned responses and it seems you don't even know when to use them.


this is simple:

the students are protesting because of politics.
I find it funny and think they're snowflakes.
You want to defend them but instead of defending their politics you try to attack me and say I'm wrong.
Because the pseudo-dean professor might spend hours away. And he recently defended another (get ready for it)... criminal!
Which is what I thought defense teams often were supposed to do.

They have every right to do this.
I never said, and I never implied that they don't.

I'm not sure why anyone who agrees with their politics would feel compelled to dig out unrelated sidenotes and then jump up and yell "gotcha!"

It's not my fault the students are more interested in identity politics then they are our justice system.

Speyside
7 years ago
Why don't you point out one for me? I'm not sure what I would call your inaccuracies, but certainly not an adult conversation. As usual you address none of my points. How typical, how boring, how tail. Perhaps you could pick another unimportant talking point? You do that quite well.
victor809
7 years ago

The point was that I didn't google any the key words you claim I did.
But you knew that, it just doesn't fit your narrative.


You're all over the place Vic.

I say the students protest because of identity politics.
You say it's because they're afraid their RA will be MIA during the nights.
I show you proof that the politics aren't just a part of the reason, they're the MAIN reason.
You cry about me "moving the goalposts".

You have a small bundle of canned responses and it seems you don't even know when to use them.


this is simple:

the students are protesting because of politics.
I find it funny and think they're snowflakes.
You want to defend them but instead of defending their politics you try to attack me and say I'm wrong.
Because the pseudo-dean professor might spend hours away. And he recently defended another (get ready for it)... criminal!
Which is what I thought defense teams often were supposed to do.

They have every right to do this.
I never said, and I never implied that they don't.

I'm not sure why anyone who agrees with their politics would feel compelled to dig out unrelated sidenotes and then jump up and yell "gotcha!"

It's not my fault the students are more interested in identity politics then they are our justice system.

tailgater wrote:



You're the one injecting "identity politics" into this thing at all.

Look at it a little less emotionally. I know that's hard for a snowflake like you.

Students are protesting a specific faculty member having a student-liaison role for two reasons (these two reasons were both stated in the change.org petition, both stated in the first paragraph)... 1 - that he's defending a high profile rape case. 2 - that he additionally defended a professor at the same college for sexual harassment.

This is a logical protest to make.

Your pearl clutching first post (ignore your backpedaling to just calling them "students" now...)


A professor at Harvard is joining Harvey Weinstein's defense team.

Students are protesting.

Is it because:
A. Students at the country's most prestigious law school don't understand.....

snowflake wrote:



So your first sentence is half correct. It specifically ignores the other part of the protest, which you AGAIN have no evidence is just a cover.

Then you decide to emphasize "most prestigious law school" even though the students protesting aren't lawyers, aren't law students... aren't even real students (really....design?)

give up tail.

This is, as rfenst said, much ado about nothing.... you just want to claim this is some liberal identity politics thing. I see no evidence of that.
teedubbya
7 years ago
All I know is a professor at Harvard is joining Harvey Weinstein's defense team and students at the country's most prestigious law school are protesting because they don't understand that you can't define a lawyer by his clients, don't understand the concept of "innocent until proven guilty", don't understand that due process is a right, or they have fully embraced the intolerance endorsed by today's liberal mouthpieces.


I wonder if they understand there is no connection between protesting and legal definitions/terminology as used in court. The next thing you know they will tell me taking Judge Nancy Grace Jr. Off the air for a week isn't a violation of her 1st amendment rights.

Oh the hugehanity!
tailgater
7 years ago

Why don't you point out one for me? I'm not sure what I would call your inaccuracies, but certainly not an adult conversation. As usual you address none of my points. How typical, how boring, how tail. Perhaps you could pick another unimportant talking point? You do that quite well.

Speyside wrote:



You still here?
tailgater
7 years ago

All I know is a professor at Harvard is joining Harvey Weinstein's defense team and students at the country's most prestigious law school are protesting because they don't understand that you can't define a lawyer by his clients, don't understand the concept of "innocent until proven guilty", don't understand that due process is a right, or they have fully embraced the intolerance endorsed by today's liberal mouthpieces.

!

teedubbya wrote:



Where'd you hear that?
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