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DrafterX
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7 years ago

#21

😱

ForMud
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7 years ago

#22

Maybe if we just eat and drink more = Problem solved.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/this-could-be-the-amount-of-plastic-people-eat-each-week

Or rocket it to Uranus.....

Buckwheat
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7 years ago

#23

We should put it on a rocket and send it to da moon.. 😟

DrafterX wrote:

Too expensive.
https://www.universetoday.com/25431/why-cant-we-launch-garbage-into-space/

frankj1
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7 years ago

#24

This is certainly a step in the right direction. I hope that the world can come to some sort of reasonable decision on how to deal with the mess that we've created.

I would hate to see this become another politicized mess like global climate change. 🐴

There shouldn't be any debate as to the existence of the problem.
Pretty straight forward:
1) Plastic garbage is in the water;
2) let's find a way to clean it up and dispose of it in an environmentally responsible way.

🌫

Buckwheat wrote:

at least this issue does not have a natural divide between political parties, nor does it seem any large businesses would be against a solution.

would it fit in the nuclear waste mountains? HA!

deadeyedick
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7 years ago

#25

We try to recycle our disposable, plastic grocery bags, but our local recycling centers are starting to ban them from recycling.

rfenst wrote:

We use reusable grocery bags. Any plastic bag that has to be used can be saved and returned to the local stores. Not sure what they do with them, maybe dump them in the ocean.:-k

opelmanta1900
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7 years ago

#26

If I had To guess?

I bet several "sh*t hole" countries all around the world dump all their trash at sea...
Like Nigeria, Somalia, Madagascar, Egypt, turkey,
Malaysia, north Korea, China, Colombia, MEXICO...etc...

Cruise ships dump raw sho*t sewage directly into the ocean, military ships, fishing ships...all ships dump some or all food scraps and trash instead of hauling it back to land...uses way less fuel that way...

Ask MACS?
I'LL BET HE KNOWS A LOT ABOUT SHIP WASTE...he was a navy sailor...love to hear his input...

Mr. Jones wrote:

Still in Iran last I heard...

opelmanta1900
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7 years ago

#27

We use reusable grocery bags. Any plastic bag that has to be used can be saved and returned to the local stores. Not sure what they do with them, maybe dump them in the ocean.:-k

deadeyedick wrote:

You're not wrong...

There's plenty to watch out there on it, but I'd recommend an Australian 60 minutes piece that tracks Australia's recyclables...

Here's the short of it:

Recycling plastic in an environmentally safe way - one that does not involve dumping micro-plastics into the ocean - is expensive...

Recycling plastic the right way is so expensive it cannot be completed in a country like America or Australia or Canada because doing so would result in an end product that is inferior to - yet costs substantially more - than "new" plastic...

The current solution is for first world countries to pay individuals to import recyclable plastic to Malaysia and a handful of other poorly monitored third world countries...

In fairness, some of those recycling plants do recycle a decent amount of the plastic they receive, however, none have the ability to deal with the byproducts of the recycling process - micro plastic... When a plant becomes overrun with byproduct, they close down, leaving the local governments with the waste on their hands - it usually goes to the ocean....

The majority of recycling plants in third world countries are illegally run and are not in fact recycling plants but storage facilities for recyclable materials... These materials are generally either disposed of in the ocean or burned...

Recycling!

Edited by user 7 years ago | Reason: Not specified

opelmanta1900
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7 years ago

#28

This also ties into another issue - receiving products from third world countries...

When Wal-Mart receives a thousand cargo containers full of made-in-malaysia t-shirts for seventeen cents each because they're exploiting the semi-slave labor situation there - they now have a thousand empty cargo containers that have to go back to Malaysia...

But the people in Malaysia are dirt poor because we exploit their semi-slave labor situation, so they can't afford anything we make...

The easy solution for a place like Wal-Mart - make a few pennies by filling those Malaysia-bound containers with American-made garbage...

victor809
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7 years ago

#29

opelmanta1900 wrote:

Stop it... you're making me aroused.

Buckwheat
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7 years ago

#30

Still in Iran last I heard...

opelmanta1900 wrote:

He's back home and probably just out fishing if he doesn't have to work and the weather is nice. =d>

tailgater
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7 years ago

#31

America doesn't want recycling, she wants convenience and/or low cost.

I hate most laws that ban things.
Most, if not all, of these laws are short sighted and counter productive, not to mention ineffective.

Put a dollar value on something and people take notice.

How many beer and pop cans do you see on the side of the roads in states with a deposit bill?

Why not add this to plastic water bottles?

If a deposit were put on bags, people would still throw them out. But other people would collect them.
But we need to think two steps ahead: if we plan to recycle bags, it's a separate waste stream from non-film plastic products. So put a plan in place, but beware of new bags that are biodegradable. These bags would ruin the recycling process (PLA can't be mixed with LDPE, for instance).
And don't get me going on tampons. I'm currently working on concepts with the largest producer of feminine hygiene products on the planet and they won't consider biodegradable materials because there is no consumer push. Further, the applicators are banned from recycling (biohazard).

But let's blame plastics...
Knee jerk reactions and blaming the product yields ineffective solutions.

opelmanta1900
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7 years ago

#32

He's back home and probably just out fishing if he doesn't have to work and the weather is nice. =d>

Buckwheat wrote:

Mmm hmmmm....

Ewok126
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7 years ago

#33

Let me know when this "cleanup" is going to take place!

We in flood season here and I have not been able to burn the tires for a few months. Gots a yuge collection of em to add to the Flip Flop pile!

DrafterX
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7 years ago

#34

I don't remember where but there is/was deposits on water bottles... Peoples on da welfare would purchase cases of water then dump them out and return for beer monies... 🍺

dstieger
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7 years ago

#35

20 years ago, I was stationed in Japan, living in US military housing on base. DoD policy mandated recycling on all bases. We had separate waste containers for garbage and recyclables. The waste pick up was contracted to local Japanese companies -- who already knew what we're still learning over here - that recycling doesn't pay. We had to put separate containers on the curb each week, but the truck would come by and the garbage men dumped the contents of each container into back of the same truck.

Local recycling centers won't take glass mixed in with recyclables any more. Seems we haven't figured out how to make recycling separating machines that don't get all f'd up from glass breaking. We have two choices: put glass in the garbage, or separate it from everything else and take it to the landfill recycling place ourselves since our trash company won't accept it. Same with most plastics....only hard stuff coded 1 or 2 now....Our household went from about 80/20 recycle/garbage to about 20/80. Not that the original 80 was actually getting recycled, I guess, but I felt better....and isn't that what's important?

tailgater
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7 years ago

#36

When we went to single stream recycling (mix it all together except for corrugated) the local trash-to-energy plant had trouble keeping the furnace hot enough because there was too little petroleum rich fuel to burn.
Talk about unforeseen consequences.

MCAddict
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7 years ago

#37

Check out the documentary “Plastic China” on Amazon Prime.

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