Speyside
7 years ago
This isn't exactly politics, but it seems to be the best category to place this in. All great world powers through history reached a tipping point and were replaced by another great world power. Some of these world powers disappeared such as the Huns. Others were relegated to third world status such as Egypt. Others became part of a country such as Rome. Others still do quite well for themselves such as England. Is the United States at such a tipping point, or simply undergoing a period of upheaval such as Cromwells period in England. This is something I have been considering for some time.
USNGunner
7 years ago
Yeah, you are a bit behind.

We've been heading that way since the 60's. Rome did not fall in a decade. The hedonism took over and it was a self fulfilling prophecy.

If the liberals and democrats get their way? We as a nation are done. If we can stave the barbarians and hedonists off?

There is hope.

But, I am not holding my breath. There is little spine left in this country, at least in those making policy, and damned less in those coming up. Molly coddled sissies suckled at the breasts of participation trophies and "you're ok, but little Billy isn't because he has a ****?"

Frankly, I'm betting this place is freaking doomed. Too many snowflakes, not enough folks willing to gut it out.
Whistlebritches
7 years ago

Yeah, you are a bit behind.

We've been heading that way since the 60's. Rome did not fall in a decade. The hedonism took over and it was a self fulfilling prophecy.

If the liberals and democrats get their way? We as a nation are done. If we can stave the barbarians and hedonists off?

There is hope.

But, I am not holding my breath. There is little spine left in this country, at least in those making policy, and damned less in those coming up. Molly coddled sissies suckled at the breasts of participation trophies and "you're ok, but little Billy isn't because he has a ****?"

Frankly, I'm betting this place is freaking doomed. Too many snowflakes, not enough folks willing to gut it out.

USNGunner wrote:




I concur...…..and it's just **** ing scary how much we think alike.
izonfire
7 years ago

Yeah, you are a bit behind.

We've been heading that way since the 60's. Rome did not fall in a decade. The hedonism took over and it was a self fulfilling prophecy.

If the liberals and democrats get their way? We as a nation are done. If we can stave the barbarians and hedonists off?

There is hope.

But, I am not holding my breath. There is little spine left in this country, at least in those making policy, and damned less in those coming up. Molly coddled sissies suckled at the breasts of participation trophies and "you're ok, but little Billy isn't because he has a ****?"

Frankly, I'm betting this place is freaking doomed. Too many snowflakes, not enough folks willing to gut it out.

USNGunner wrote:



Unfortunately, I too share your outlook. Just thankful I don't have kids. But I still care deeply about what's happening.
Frustrating as hell...
delta1
7 years ago
America is still the strongest nation, and will be around for many more generations beyond the passing of the participation trophy generation...our history of industrialization, innovation, education, self-governance, production, wealth and financial markets, global alliances, private enterprise, judicial system, military power, technological advancements, communications systems, social and cultural norms that value freedom and individual rights along with cooperative expectations, on and on, won't be undone by a few extremists among the wide spectrum of viewpoints and people in power...

those looking for reasons that America will soon crumble will be left behind and wondering what happened, like the people who expected the Apocalypse and openly pined for the Rapture at the beginning of GWBush's War and during the Great Recession...
izonfire
7 years ago
I cling to hope Delta
frankj1
7 years ago

America is still the strongest nation, and will be around for many more generations beyond the passing of the participation trophy generation...our history of industrialization, innovation, education, self-governance, production, wealth and financial markets, global alliances, private enterprise, judicial system, military power, technological advancements, communications systems, social and cultural norms that value freedom and individual rights along with cooperative expectations, on and on, won't be undone by a few extremists among the wide spectrum of viewpoints and people in power...

those looking for reasons that America will soon crumble will be left behind and wondering what happened, like the people who expected the Apocalypse and openly pined for the Rapture at the beginning of GWBush's War and during the Great Recession...

delta1 wrote:


we ain't going nowhere soon.

could have just as easily picked the recent surge in extreme far right movements all over the globe to moan and whine about as the beginning of the end.



izonfire
7 years ago

we ain't going nowhere soon.

could have just as easily picked the recent surge in extreme far right movements all over the globe to moan and whine about as the beginning of the end.

frankj1 wrote:



Thanks a lot Frank, now I got that on my mind too...

#-o
frankj1
7 years ago
never again...don't worry.
USNGunner
7 years ago

America is still the strongest nation, and will be around for many more generations beyond the passing of the participation trophy generation...our history of industrialization, innovation, education, self-governance, production, wealth and financial markets, global alliances, private enterprise, judicial system, military power, technological advancements, communications systems, social and cultural norms that value freedom and individual rights along with cooperative expectations, on and on, won't be undone by a few extremists among the wide spectrum of viewpoints and people in power...

those looking for reasons that America will soon crumble will be left behind and wondering what happened, like the people who expected the Apocalypse and openly pined for the Rapture at the beginning of GWBush's War and during the Great Recession...

delta1 wrote:




I am a member of the shining light on the hill generation. I pray to hell that you are right. However, most folks anymore seem far to willing to give up the hard fought for and earned rights and privileges that hey enjoy now, for "safe spaces and political correctness".

They are willing to relinquish personal freedom for not having to listen to contrary ideas? WTH?

They don't feel the need to accept personal responsibility for their actions? It's somebody else's fault?

Nope. It isn't, nor do I or anyone else owe them a damned thing.

Dude, I believe, and stood up and fought for America. I gave up 20 years of my life for her. Don't ever doubt my commitment to this country and what she "actually" stands for.

But I'll tell you right now, this pc bull****, with safe spaces, and all the other nonsense ain't it, and it will be the end of it. A nation without borders isn't a nation. 😣
USNGunner
7 years ago

I concur...…..and it's just **** ing scary how much we think alike.

Whistlebritches wrote:



We come from the same places, we've seen the same things. Too many folks have never walked the world and have no practical experience to back up what they pontificate about.

I laugh my buttocks off when somebody invokes another country as an ideal. "Really? Ever been there? I have. I'll tell you what. Go live there for 5 years. Then come back and tell me what you think. If you still feel that way, I'll pay for your travel."

I've yet to write a check. 🤦
frankj1
7 years ago
so, a one party system would solve the "problem".
got it.
izonfire
7 years ago
Sitting on my covered balcony, smoking my cigar, deep in the woods.
I hear the fireworks going off all around me. A cluster and smattering of pops in repetition. An occasional heavy explosion.
I imagine being dug in, waiting for the inevitable attack. Eyes pealed. Heart pounding. Thinking “how the **** did I end up here???”
And then it happens. The utter chaos. Gunfire, rockets, explosions, screams. Sheer terror. Absolute hell. I can only imagine.

Thankfully, I can only imagine.
I have a few older friends who have been through it.
They have my utmost respect and admiration.

I have been through some nasty chit in my life. But not once have I felt sorry for myself. I know it could always be worse.
Many of them have been through the worst of it. Many did not make it back.

I support the brothers. I go to local functions. I go to vet services and rallys up in the northwoods.
Some are amputees. Some are permanently disabled. All have scars. I feel guilt for not enduring what they have.

There is not a day that goes by that I don’t give thanks to them.
For what I have. For what they have provided. For what they have suffered.
USNGunner
7 years ago


I support the brothers. I go to local functions. I go to vet services and rallys up in the northwoods.
Some are amputees. Some are permanently disabled. All have scars. I feel guilt for not enduring what they have.

izonfire wrote:



Good on ya Rich. They appreciate it, it helps.

There is no reason for guilt. If we all were military, there would be nothing to defend. ;)

We all pick a path. Some serve in the military, some serve as police or fire fire fighters, some serve keeping day to day society running. We need all that. As long as one walks the path honorably while doing no harm to others, it's a good path.

We need walkers everywhere buddy.
teedubbya
7 years ago
We are still the greatest country in the world. I don’t know if we always will be. History suggests otherwise but past performance doesn’t guarantee future results. And the industrial world is a different animal.

Pontificating on how much more your opinion has value because you somehow think your experiences carry more value than others experiences shows a huge blind spot which amounts to a weakness.

I know my opinion is my opinion and not automatically better that someone else’s because it’s me. I’ve traveled quite a bit. Some things in some countries are better than here. We can still learn. We are a young country.

Being the greatest country in the world (and I would say in History but I’m biased) doesn’t make us perfect. We have much to learn if we allow it. That can’t happen if we proclaim ourselves all knowledgeable and all dissent simply uninformed.

We are young, growing and having pains as a result. I do still believe our best days ahead of us despite the reactionary crowd that has an artificially amplified voice at the moment.

And get off my lawn.
frankj1
7 years ago
some good posts above...

I think of my father quite often, I think of his service more so on the 4th and on Memorial Day.

I think of what it must have been like for him to go into the Army during WWII at age 27, to be sent to Europe.
To have been atop phone poles repairing broken wires and electrical things (they made him a specialist in these electrical things) to keep the information flowing, with some kind of gun on his hip.
He must have been frightened, but never spoke of that part.

He came back, married my mother, I was born several years later when he was 38. Many of my opinions and views are his, including traits that I can only hope to emulate when it comes to the respect toward and treatment of other human beings. He was the best kind of man.

He always said that he served so others could live in peace with the freedom to be wrong.

He was a liberal. as am I.

and he knew it was a funny line. Truth in jest I guess.
teedubbya
7 years ago
Salute and props to your dad frank. Every day I try to make the same impact in my kids that your dad did to you.

I also hope you got the tripod gene from his side of the family. It would be a shame if it was wasted on the maternal side... or um well you know what I mean.
frankj1
7 years ago
I do know what you mean.
izonfire
7 years ago

And get off my lawn.

teedubbya wrote:



This is no longer your lawn.
It has been annexed by the state.

Move along...
Phil222
7 years ago

Pontificating on how much more your opinion has value because you somehow think your experiences carry more value than others experiences shows a huge blind spot which amounts to a weakness.

I know my opinion is my opinion and not automatically better that someone else’s because it’s me.

teedubbya wrote:


Bravo.
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