KingoftheCove
Saturday, January 18, 2020 2:28:16 PM
From Charlie at halfwheel....

It’s long.........very loooong........but also interesting, and somewhat troubling...

https://tinyurl.com/uxkfjga 

Mrs. dpnewell
Saturday, January 18, 2020 4:22:56 PM
I found Zarectsky's statement interesting. If the PCA really did lobby to increase taxes on internet sales, I find that extremely disturbing. As far as the rest of the article, if a manufacturer is not reaping additional profit and sales from the show, then why spend the money and time to set up a booth? If this trade show fails, will it really affect you or I?

David

Pudding Mittens
Saturday, January 18, 2020 5:05:50 PM

lobby to increase taxes on internet sales

Mrs. dpnewell wrote:

Another way the "Buy A Metric Schitt-Ton Early On" technique shines! They can't increase taxes on (or do anything else to) what you already have socked away and aging!

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KingoftheCove
Saturday, January 18, 2020 5:54:16 PM

I found Zarectsky's statement interesting. If the PCA really did lobby to increase taxes on internet sales, I find that extremely disturbing. As far as the rest of the article, if a manufacturer is not reaping additional profit and sales from the show, then why spend the money and time to set up a booth? If this trade show fails, will it really affect you or I?

David

Mrs. dpnewell wrote:

I found that troubling as well.

I’d still like to know what percent of “premium” cigars sold in the US is from B&Ms vs online sales.

I know it’s a tough number to crack, since there’s a handful that do both...........but SOMEONE has a pretty good handle on this. I’d like to the historical trend as well......from say.......2010 onward.

shaun341
Saturday, January 18, 2020 11:14:13 PM
Why do we as consumers care about pca? It benefits us in no way at all. It is a show for retailers and factories to make sales and introduce new labels. PCA is irrelevant to the current state of cigars as a consumer imo
Sunoverbeach
Sunday, January 19, 2020 8:39:38 AM
Except for the taxes lobbying thing. As a consumer I find that is a good enough reason to despise them
USNGunner
Sunday, January 19, 2020 10:33:34 AM

Except for the taxes lobbying thing. As a consumer I find that is a good enough reason to despise them

Sunoverbeach wrote:

Yeah. This is why Springfield Armory, while .5 miles from my house is dead to me. Several years ago their, with Rock River Arms, lobbyist made a deal with the legislation to pull their objections to the "gun dealer licensing" scheme in return for tax carve outs and exemptions for them.

Unfortunately for them they were at an NRA but the word got out. "What? How? Internet? DOH!"

They got ripped new ones. Made videos trying to smooth this over, the whole nine yards. **** em. I have an XDS and an older 1911 of theirs, but never another one. And I spread the word "never more" every chance I get.

I think some are still adjusting to how fast word will spread. "Bad gas travels fast in a small town."

Pudding Mittens
Sunday, January 19, 2020 1:03:46 PM

Yeah. This is why Springfield Armory, while .5 miles from my house is dead to me. Several years ago their, wit Rock River Arms, lobbyist made a deal with the legislation to pull their objections to the "gun dealer licensing" scheme in return for tax carve outs and exemptions for them.

Unfortunately for them they were at an NRA but the word got out. "What? How? Internet? DOH!"

They got ripped new ones. Made videos trying to smooth this over, the whole nine yards. **** em. I have an XDS and an older 1911 of theirs, but never another one. And I spread the word "never more" every chance I get.

I think some are still adjusting to how fast word will spread. "Bad gas travels fast in a small town."

USNGunner wrote:

If I remember right, Bill Ruger, co-founder of Sturm, Ruger & Co., was an early supporter of a law to limit magazines to 10 rounds maximum. Purely coincidentally I'm SURE, most of his gun models at the time held 10 or less rounds anyway, but many of his competitors had models that held more than 10.

Why should law-obeying good people be limited to 10 rounds to defend themselves and their families, while criminals simply ignore that law like they ignore all laws, and get to keep whatever high magazine capacity they like, forever?

Many gun owners adopted a "Ruger is dead to me" attitude after that, and boycotted them forever, as well they should.

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KingoftheCove
Sunday, January 19, 2020 2:10:11 PM
Ya Puddin......

But I’m in love...

https://tinyurl.com/t2rdhac 

USNGunner
Sunday, January 19, 2020 2:13:01 PM

If I remember right, Bill Ruger, co-founder of Sturm, Ruger & Co., was an early supporter of a law to limit magazines to 10 rounds maximum. Purely coincidentally I'm SURE, most of his gun models at the time held 10 or less rounds anyway, but many of his competitors had models that held more than 10.

Pudding Mittens wrote:

You remember correctly.

Why should law-obeying good people be limited to 10 rounds to defend themselves and their families, while criminals simply ignore that law like they ignore all laws, and get to keep whatever high magazine capacity they like, forever?

Pudding Mittens wrote:

They should not.

Many gun owners adopted a "Ruger is dead to me" attitude after that, and boycotted them forever, as well they should.

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Pudding Mittens wrote:

Yep. Them, Smith and Wesson (supported Clinton's mandatory trigger locks), and HK (dropped all support for civilians that owned their firearms. I had a HK91 with full factory accessory kit up till then, just before the clinton ban I sold it for a killer profit. Worked for me. 🍺

Yeah, you roll on your customer base, don't look innocent and wonder why your sales dropped.

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