CelticBomber
6 years ago
Cops show up at guys house for attending Virginia Gun Rally location.



USNGunner
6 years ago

Cops show up at guys house for attending Virginia Gun Rally location.



CelticBomber wrote:



That was actually before the event. He had been to the capitol walking around getting the lay of the land so when he got there he knew where he was going. Cameras picked him out as being nefarious. They sent the popo to check him out.
CelticBomber
6 years ago

That was actually before the event. He had been to the capitol walking around getting the lay of the land so when he got there he knew where he was going. Cameras picked him out as being nefarious. They sent the popo to check him out.

USNGunner wrote:




Really? Hmmm I should have watched the video! [frypan]
DrMaddVibe
6 years ago
Buckle up buttercup.

SB 240 Firearms; removal from persons posing substantial risk of injury to himself, etc., penalties.

Firearms; removal from persons posing substantial risk; penalties. Creates a procedure by which any attorney for the Commonwealth or any law-enforcement officer may apply to a general district court, circuit court, or juvenile and domestic relations district court judge or magistrate for an emergency substantial risk order to prohibit a person who poses a substantial risk of injury to himself or others from purchasing, possessing, or transporting a firearm. If an emergency substantial risk order is issued, a judge or magistrate may issue a search warrant to remove firearms from such person. An emergency substantial risk order shall expire on the fourteenth day following issuance of the order. The bill requires a court hearing in the circuit court for the jurisdiction where the order was issued within 14 days from issuance of an emergency substantial risk order to determine whether a substantial risk order should be issued. Seized firearms shall be retained by a law-enforcement agency for the duration of an emergency substantial risk order or a substantial risk order or, for a substantial risk order and with court approval, may be transferred to a third party 21 years of age or older chosen by the person from whom they were seized. The bill allows the complainant of the original warrant to file a motion for a hearing to extend the substantial risk order prior to its expiration. The court may extend the substantial risk order for a period not longer than 180 days. The bill provides that persons who are subject to a substantial risk order, until such order has been dissolved by a court, are guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor for purchasing, possessing, or transporting a firearm; are disqualified from having a concealed handgun permit; and may not be employed by a licensed firearms dealer. The bill also provides that a person who transfers a firearm to a person he knows has been served with a warrant or who is the subject of a substantial risk order is guilty of a Class 4 felony. The bill creates a computerized substantial risk order registry for the entry of orders issued pursuant to provisions in the bill.

http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+sum+SB240 


and

SB 263 Concealed handgun permits; demonstration of competence, effective date.

Concealed handgun permits; demonstration of competence. Removes the option for concealed handgun permit applicants to demonstrate competence with a handgun by completing an electronic, video, or online course conducted by a state-certified or National Rifle Association-certified firearms instructor. The bill does not affect any in-person means of satisfying the requirement to demonstrate competence with a handgun under current law.

http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+sum+SB263 


Plus 7 more bills introduced.

Still don't believe the DNC is a terrorist organization?
Mrs. dpnewell
6 years ago
But, but Victor told us that the bills being protested where killed weeks ago, and everyone knows that Victor is never wrong.
Speyside
6 years ago
What DOC points out should be obvious to all. Thought police for lack of a better term have no place in America. Also the statistics do not back up claims that removing assault weapons will create a safer environment. Here is a random thought. Sometimes people die due to freedom being protected. I am not willing to trade in my freedom and live in a draconian society.

Now a question, and it is a serious one on my part. What would be the appropriate arming of a militia? Assault rifles would not last 10 minutes against the national guard. If the military operated in the United States cut that to 1 minute. In reality I doubt this would happen as oaths are to uphold the constitution, not the government. But it could. So how do you properly arm a militia?
Mr. Jones
6 years ago
Good thing Y.O.U. MOVED TO NORTH CAROLINA and not Virginia dpnewell....

AIN'T ????
victor809
6 years ago
Reread what I posted in post 20 DP... I specifically stated what was killed.
victor809
6 years ago
Not my fault it reading comprehension is poor here
USNGunner
6 years ago

What DOC points out should be obvious to all. Thought police for lack of a better term have no place in America. Also the statistics do not back up claims that removing assault weapons will create a safer environment. Here is a random thought. Sometimes people die due to freedom being protected. I am not willing to trade in my freedom and live in a draconian society.

Now a question, and it is a serious one on my part. What would be the appropriate arming of a militia? Assault rifles would not last 10 minutes against the national guard. If the military operated in the United States cut that to 1 minute. In reality I doubt this would happen as oaths are to uphold the constitution, not the government. But it could. So how do you properly arm a militia?

Speyside wrote:



I'm with you Sir. I'll not be a serf to any man. Ever.

As to the question. First off, The Posse Comitatus act prohibits the use of Military troops inside the continental United States and in civil/law enforcement activities period. The National Guard must be activated by their respective governor to be used in an emergency in their home state. The cannot be federalized and used as such. The Posse Comitatus would kick in. So, hold that thought for a moment.

Now. Arms. What ever you've got. That's what militias are. The whole "militias won't last 2 minutes" is a straw dog that ain't going to hunt. There are more combat experienced folks out here than there has been since world war two. And 90% of them are patriots. And most are also armed to the teeth. Body Armor. Night Vision. Ammuniton. And most have stores of food and medical supplies laid in as well.

While I believe there are those active duty folks that would initially "follow orders" and squash civilian protesters/'rebel scum/cons/republicans", I think sustained military/LEO action would be fairly short lived.

A, The first time they encounter and put down mixed civilians, those that did it have to live with it.
B. Public opinion would go snake ****. It's bad enough losing our kids when they're deployed and volunteered to serve. To have them gunned down on American soil? That ain't going to play in Peoria.
C. There are a ton of folks out here not inclined to go along with a butt ton of experience in that very arena and know the TTP's. There are a lot that will mind their own counsel, right up until some civilians get killed in the name of "homeland security". That will generate a lot of attention.
And
D. One does not line up like the revolutionary war and go toe to toe with a vastly better armed and equipped force. One picks at the edges.

So, it's the same strategy that has always been used. Blend in with the populace. Lay low. Only strike when the odds are substantially in your favor. Avoid technology. There are a ton of books and papers on guerrilla warfare. It ties up a whole bunch of folks trying to quell it, and even more resources. It always has. Red Dawn baby.

I know. We cleaned up Iraq in short order and pulled out, but that was........................

Wait what? We haven't? We're still there? What the...................................................

Seriously. This would be some long drawn out ugly, ugly crapfest nightmare. American vs American? The civil war again? I do not relish the thought. Not one damn bit. A lot of folks would die, on both sides. Kind of like Thanos snapping his fingers, but not clean. And then, God knows there would be retribution on those that started it. Who ever set that in motion? God help them and anyone remotely connected.

Best to avoid all that if possible.
DrMaddVibe
6 years ago

Now a question, and it is a serious one on my part. What would be the appropriate arming of a militia? Assault rifles would not last 10 minutes against the national guard. If the military operated in the United States cut that to 1 minute. In reality I doubt this would happen as oaths are to uphold the constitution, not the government. But it could. So how do you properly arm a militia?

Speyside wrote:



Fair enough. To that you must grapple with 2A. "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" was included. The Founders understood the power of taking hunting rifles off of the mantles and taking on and defeating the world's superpower. So far, America has behaved with restraint and we don't have people with M1A1's parked in the garage. Now with this legislation on the table do their words mean anything? I'm telling the rational people here that have guns and understand what they are, not the dip****s that think they're cute because they have a big mouth and use it...if they succeed in Virginia they can pull it off anywhere. The threat is real. The birthplace of Freedom's leadership of all places. Those that understand the freedoms we hold dear must be prepared to do everything to maintain them.



ANY person willingly voting for this is insane. Anyone putting them in power is a useful idiot. The stakes have never been higher.
USNGunner
6 years ago

Fair enough. To that you must grapple with 2A. "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" was included. The Founders understood the power of taking hunting rifles off of the mantles and taking on and defeating the world's superpower. So far, America has behaved with restraint and we don't have people with M1A1's parked in the garage. Now with this legislation on the table do their words mean anything? I'm telling the rational people here that have guns and understand what they are, not the dip****s that think they're cute because they have a big mouth and use it...if they succeed in Virginia they can pull it off anywhere. The threat is real. The birthplace of Freedom's leadership of all places. Those that understand the freedoms we hold dear must be prepared to do everything to maintain them.



ANY person willingly voting for this is insane. Anyone putting them in power is a useful idiot. The stakes have never been higher.

DrMaddVibe wrote:



Spot on.

I cannot fathom Americans that would willingly strip rights from fellow Americans. Because "Oh, I'm scared?" That reeks of McCarthyism. I'm not of a mind to put up with that nonsense.
Speyside
6 years ago
Good answers both. But 2 additional thoughts come to mind. If the government chose to violate posse comitatus who would stop them? The president can activate the National guard and put them under federal control. I do consider these both extreme scenarios, but do not rule out the possibility of them happening. I do think the military would uphold their oath th the constitution, so the more plausible of the two is federal control of the national guard, though I do not know what oath they took. Look at the evil Germany committed against German Jews in WW2 that no one thought would ever happen as an example.
DrMaddVibe
6 years ago

Good answers both. But 2 additional thoughts come to mind. If the government chose to violate posse comitatus who would stop them? The president can activate the National guard and put them under federal control. I do consider these both extreme scenarios, but do not rule out the possibility of them happening. I do think the military would uphold their oath th the constitution, so the more plausible of the two is federal control of the national guard, though I do not know what oath they took.

Speyside wrote:




While I believe there are those active duty folks that would initially "follow orders" and squash civilian protesters/'rebel scum/cons/republicans", I think sustained military/LEO action would be fairly short lived.

A, The first time they encounter and put down mixed civilians, those that did it have to live with it.
B. Public opinion would go snake ****. It's bad enough losing our kids when they're deployed and volunteered to serve. To have them gunned down on American soil? That ain't going to play in Peoria.
C. There are a ton of folks out here not inclined to go along with a butt ton of experience in that very arena and know the TTP's. There are a lot that will mind their own counsel, right up until some civilians get killed in the name of "homeland security". That will generate a lot of attention.
And
D. One does not line up like the revolutionary war and go toe to toe with a vastly better armed and equipped force. One picks at the edges.

So, it's the same strategy that has always been used. Blend in with the populace. Lay low. Only strike when the odds are substantially in your favor. Avoid technology. There are a ton of books and papers on guerrilla warfare. It ties up a whole bunch of folks trying to quell it, and even more resources. It always has. Red Dawn baby.

USNGunner wrote:



Look at the evil Germany committed against German Jews in WW2 that no one thought would ever happen as an example.

Speyside wrote:



What did Hitler do to his nation first? He disarmed them. It's hard to fight the odds when you're outgunned. The Japanese credited the general population and the 2A as to why they didn't fly from Pearl Harbor to the mainland. They were afraid of the average citizen and their guns! Nowadays, you can spot who will be able to take care of themselves and who won't. Be wary of them because these are the geniuses that will give up their rights faster than breathing. It means nothing to them. They need free speech zones, support animals and Big Government's nanny state mentality to give them everything they need. These scumbags will be the first ones at your door seeking protection too. They trust the government and look where that has got us? All the way to a commonwealth giving up their God given rights a nibble at a time.

http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+sum+HB2 

http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+sum+HB674 

http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+sum+HB812 

http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+sum+HB9 

http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+sum+HB421 

http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+sum+HB1004 

http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+sum+HB1083 


They're not playing.

What bothers me the most about the legislation is the confiscation without the giving back if you're innocent. That's not there. So, it really is about gun confiscation, putting you in a cell and choking down the rights we share.
USNGunner
6 years ago

Good answers both. But 2 additional thoughts come to mind. If the government chose to violate posse comitatus who would stop them? The president can activate the National guard and put them under federal control. I do consider these both extreme scenarios, but do not rule out the possibility of them happening. I do think the military would uphold their oath th the constitution, so the more plausible of the two is federal control of the national guard, though I do not know what oath they took. Look at the evil Germany committed against German Jews in WW2 that no one thought would ever happen as an example.

Speyside wrote:



Well, I would look to the sheriffs that have come out in Virginia and are refusing to enforce the law. The Military are our kids. I do not honestly believe that the bulk of our folks would step into a Gestapo type role. I refuse to accept that. There are those that would, there always are. The .mil is a cross section of our own society. But the bulk would not, initially yes. But after seeing and understanding what they're being used to do? I don't think so.

And those that do, well, the French and Germans had their resistance. There always is when there is tyranny.

But, we are not Germany, nor is this the 1930/40's. The very reason our founders gave us a 2nd amendment is what's keeping the wolf at bay. This country is armed to the teeth. Those that would rule us know that. We know that. But I'm honestly concerned about what's going on in Virginia. New Jersey and Connecticut gun owners both refused to turn in their AR magazines after the bans. They just didn't comply. Nor would I.

They're going to push too far believing their own twitter feed nonsense and I'm honestly very concerned about how that's going to go. I think freedom would prevail in the long run, but at what cost?

This is an ugly deal no matter which way you look at it. But the constitution is worth defending. Especially against those that would subvert it. Those are the enemies of the state, because there is only one reason to violate the constitution. Power and control over the populace. The very reason the document exists.
victor809
6 years ago
I support the 2nd amendment, likely more than most here, but if you think the 2nd amendment is what's "keeping the wolf at bay" you're a f-cking moron. You're also likely tending towards paranoid schizophrenia,.
DrMaddVibe
6 years ago
HAHAHAHAHAAAAA!

The 2A are the "teeth" that keeps the other amendments in place. Without the 2A there are none.

You can support it all you want, but when you support those that want to take it away and stand on your soapbox spouting lies...nobody, and I mean NOBODY believes you.
rfenst
6 years ago
WHERE DID THE ORIGINAL POST #98 Go? Shana?
Mr. Jones
6 years ago
It's right above my post #99...fenster...
teedubbya
6 years ago

WHERE DID THE ORIGINAL POST #98 Go? Shana?

rfenst wrote:




I think someone complained/narked
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