Whistlebritches
Wednesday, January 29, 2020 1:51:34 PM

Yup. Distilled only or risk brain eating critters.

teedubbya wrote:

Brain eating critters only exist in tap water from Flint Michigan.

But seriously if this were true just think what this water would do if you drank it.If you ever wake up with amoebic dysentery believe me you'll remember exactly where you got it.

delta1
Wednesday, January 29, 2020 2:26:40 PM
distilled water??? I've been using warm tap water with the Neil Med saline rinse and neti pot...

hmmmmmm...explains some things...

teedubbya
Wednesday, January 29, 2020 2:31:57 PM
May want to look in to it. It's a different critter than what attacks your gut. I used to use tap water too. Then I read a few things. I only have limited brains as it is.
teedubbya
Wednesday, January 29, 2020 2:36:16 PM
https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712 (18)34525-9/pdf

Fatal Balamuthia mandrillaris brain infection associated with

improper nasal lavage

rare but you don't want any of it. Near 100% fatality

Gene363
Wednesday, January 29, 2020 3:09:15 PM
"Distilled Water", the typical water you buy as distilled is not heat distilled and not sterile. They use reverse osmosis and or ion exchange resins to remove all the minerals from the water. It's fine for irons, but should not be considered sterile.
teedubbya
Wednesday, January 29, 2020 3:24:27 PM
I'm no expert but I do think it's good enough to remove the brain eating bug. I think some filters can too. I used to have a cvs branded nasal rinse bottle with a built in filter allowing you to use tap water (I didn't).

I just use distilled and my navage and if it eats my brain its my time LOL

USNGunner
Wednesday, January 29, 2020 3:30:03 PM

"Distilled Water", the typical water you buy as distilled is not heat distilled and not sterile. They use reverse osmosis and or ion exchange resins to remove all the minerals from the water. It's fine for irons, but should not be considered sterile.

Gene363 wrote:

I think you're confusing "purified water" with distilled water. Distillation is a process. I would not call distilled water sterile though regardless.

Walmart and most drug stores also sell sterilized water, which is in fact sterile.

victor809
Wednesday, January 29, 2020 3:36:45 PM
If they use RO it's sterile. Pore size on an RO filter is smaller than the diameter of viral particles. Standard RO purification is used for injectable products from pharma.

Ion exchange is much different than RO and should not be lumped in together. Perhaps you are confusing purified water with deionized water? DI water is different than purified and you generally use DI water for chemical experiments. DI water is achieved after passing water across ion exchange resins and does not actually say anything about the purification.

Bottom line - RO is generally considered more sterile than heat distilled. DI is not RO, but water can be both purified and then deionized if necessary.

MACS
Wednesday, January 29, 2020 3:38:23 PM
US Navy ships have pretty much gotten away from flash distillers/evaps and have gone to RO purifiers.

RO's are much more efficient and don't break down as much.

victor809
Wednesday, January 29, 2020 3:42:26 PM
RO may be energy efficient (I honestly don't know if it is or is not).... but they are a huge waste of fresh water. The amount of water waste used in flushing the RO membranes is huge. Maybe there's a lot of waste in distillation as well? I don't know.... I just remember being shocked at how much water was sent to drain (in California no less!) to create RO purified water.
teedubbya
Wednesday, January 29, 2020 3:46:34 PM

"Distilled Water", the typical water you buy as distilled is not heat distilled and not sterile. They use reverse osmosis and or ion exchange resins to remove all the minerals from the water. It's fine for irons, but should not be considered sterile.

Gene363 wrote:

Rereading the clinical literature they don't seam to use the word distilled (RO or heat) but they do use the word sterile. No you got me thinking.....

great just great my hypochondria now has me with the brain bug

teedubbya
Wednesday, January 29, 2020 3:48:07 PM

RO may be energy efficient (I honestly don't know if it is or is not).... but they are a huge waste of fresh water. The amount of water waste used in flushing the RO membranes is huge. Maybe there's a lot of waste in distillation as well? I don't know.... I just remember being shocked at how much water was sent to drain (in California no less!) to create RO purified water.

victor809 wrote:

I was looking at getting an RO system and if you ever look at the requirements you draw the same conclusion. There are ways to capture it for other use though (I think)

MACS
Wednesday, January 29, 2020 3:51:47 PM
I'm not sure home RO systems and the Navy's RO desalinization systems are the same.

They're turning seawater into safe drinking water.

victor809
Wednesday, January 29, 2020 3:54:46 PM

I'm not sure home RO systems and the Navy's RO desalinization systems are the same.

They're turning seawater into safe drinking water.

MACS wrote:

That's probably a much better application, as any waste water from the process is just flushed back into the ocean where it started.

I wasn't talking home-use. I worked with a couple water purification systems for pharma companies... those are using already "clean" drinking water and purifying them further down to sterile. That's a huge waste, as the waste water is actually clean drinking water, that's just being flushed down into the drain.

teedubbya
Wednesday, January 29, 2020 3:56:10 PM

I'm not sure home RO systems and the Navy's RO desalinization systems are the same.

They're turning seawater into safe drinking water.

MACS wrote:

I was talking about RO, not desalinization. You are correct, they can not possibly be the same. Is it practical to make them larger scale for use in places like cali? I know it happens on some scale but think it may be on a very small scale?

teedubbya
Wednesday, January 29, 2020 3:57:09 PM

That's probably a much better application, as any waste water from the process is just flushed back into the ocean where it started.

I wasn't talking home-use. I worked with a couple water purification systems for pharma companies... those are using already "clean" drinking water and purifying them further down to sterile. That's a huge waste, as the waste water is actually clean drinking water, that's just being flushed down into the drain.

victor809 wrote:

I'm surprised they do not repurpose it.

victor809
Wednesday, January 29, 2020 4:06:11 PM

I'm surprised they do not repurpose it.

teedubbya wrote:

It's a pharma company. Technically the water is "waste"... there's no way it could be used in any manufacturing since there's no certification on the composition... it would have to be put in some sort of holding vat if it were to be used for employee drinking water or flushing, and that would require all sorts of work to prove you're keeping that clean.

So they just flush it.

FYI, RO can be used for purifying tap water, or for desalinating salt water. I believe it is the same principle, and likely almost identical equipment. There may be small differences I'm not aware of, but probably only for efficiency and because of the low cost (free) of supply water for desalinization.

teedubbya
Wednesday, January 29, 2020 4:09:41 PM
so while going all village people MACS likely added salt to water that had previously had the salt removed in order to clean out his orifices?
teedubbya
Wednesday, January 29, 2020 4:11:10 PM

It's a pharma company. Technically the water is "waste"... there's no way it could be used in any manufacturing since there's no certification on the composition... it would have to be put in some sort of holding vat if it were to be used for employee drinking water or flushing, and that would require all sorts of work to prove you're keeping that clean.

So they just flush it.

FYI, RO can be used for purifying tap water, or for desalinating salt water. I believe it is the same principle, and likely almost identical equipment. There may be small differences I'm not aware of, but probably only for efficiency and because of the low cost (free) of supply water for desalinization.

victor809 wrote:

You would think they could have used it for fire suppression or something similar..... but I get the certification obstetrical.

victor809
Wednesday, January 29, 2020 4:14:23 PM

You would think they could have used it for fire suppression or something similar..... but I get the certification obstetrical.

teedubbya wrote:

hehehe....

They prob could have it feed the fire suppression, but I bet that water barely ever moves. Usage there would be just a fraction of the waste water and they would need to set a valve to make sure it's "off" when the system is full.... and the waste water doesn't come out at a strong flow 100% of the time, so they would likely have to have it default to city mains for emergencies....

I get why they don't bother. But I was pretty amazed at the waste.