teedubbya
6 years ago

We need to hire that vampire from Sesame Street

HockeyDad wrote:




He’s on retainer at fox. He says the number of the day is 7. There has only been 7.
tailgater
6 years ago

That's simply not true.

If you are infected and I put you in a box for 2 weeks or 3 weeks or however long it takes for your body to beat the disease, you are not going to reinfect anyone. You are not carrying it at that point.

If you were to isolate everyone, and not allow the infection to jump from infected people to non-infected people, you would within 2 to 3 weeks, no longer have infected people to spread it when you release lockdown. At that point you no longer need a vaccine (unless you open up your country to travel).

Of course, this level of draconian isolation is impractical. Medical care workers move from sick people to healthy people, prison guards move from sick people to healthy people, delivery people risk interacting with sick people and healthy people... and then idiots who simply don't want to follow procedures also occasionally move from sick person to healthy person. Each time one of these interactions results in an infection of a healthy person, the clock resets itself on this process being 100% effective.

The virus dies if it cannot be transmitted to an uninfected person. Our immune systems kill it 98 or 99% of the time. The other 1-2% of the time it kills the host, and then it dies. But the end result of every single infection is that the virus will die unless you allow it to be transmitted to an uninfected person.

victor809 wrote:



You and I have a different definition "full stop lock down". I was being somewhat realistic and didn't include medical or emergency personnel, which as you noted would have to be included for your "simply not true" statement to hold water.

So we're not really disagreeing here.
But somehow you managed to make it look that way.

And I stand by original comment.

victor809
6 years ago

You and I have a different definition "full stop lock down". I was being somewhat realistic and didn't include medical or emergency personnel, which as you noted would have to be included for your "simply not true" statement to hold water.

So we're not really disagreeing here.
But somehow you managed to make it look that way.

And I stand by original comment.

tailgater wrote:



You could even use them in a full lockdown, as long as you considered them expendable (which we practically already treat them as anyway) and kept them isolated with the patients. The key point is to not allow them back into the healthy population without a quarantine period.

The point is, you want this done as quickly and as effectively as possible, there are ways. None of them are great. But they would be quicker than what we're doing.
delta1
6 years ago
wait...if we had a vaccine, and administered it to most of our population....why would we need a full stop lock down, or any other social distancing mitigation?
teedubbya
6 years ago
Because we will all have autism. Duh.
tailgater
6 years ago

wait...if we had a vaccine, and administered it to most of our population....why would we need a full stop lock down, or any other social distancing mitigation?

delta1 wrote:



We wouldn't.
Why? Do you have a vaccine?


delta1
6 years ago

A full stop lock down will require a working vaccine to be effective. Otherwise we're just delaying things.

tailgater wrote:




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victor809
6 years ago

I forget where I read that hospitals get 14k per Covid diagnosis. Maybe it is bs.

As far as numbers go, today on Dr. Ron Pauls Report they were going through the death rates in the U.S., for March, over the past 4 years and they are all nearly the same. So how could that be if thousands of extra people are dying of Covid-19? That's why I joked that nobody dies of a heart attack anymore. But it's not just him, I have watched a lot of doctors question the official numbers.

I guess it's just a matter of what you believe on whether you think it's an under count or an over. That's why I said it's become a political virus. Trump said he is the ultimate authority on when states can reopen. I laughed. Then you got these west coast governors that are now all of a sudden for the 10th ammendment. I laughed there too.

I really dont have an agenda. My agenda is the Constitution and the free exercise thereof. That's why I just went on with life.


RobertHively wrote:



This post kept coming back to me... Just in the back of my mind, wondering what it was that was so dumb about it. So I had to look at the actual numbers.

Average death in the US is 250k/month... Specific months is pretty meaningless at this level....end of March we only had 165k total cases. And keep in mind it takes a couple weeks to actually die, so let's see how many cases would have been able to end in fatality in March.... backing it up about 10days gives us 20k cases.

The idiot was looking at the absolute beginning of our current pandemic, the effect of 20k cases (which was about 4k deaths)... And you are extrapolating that even further to suggest that it means people are making up the deaths.

Those numbers from Mar 2019 to Mar 2020 didn't look different because 4k deaths is the error bar between 250k. Not because people are making up deaths.

We're now at a point where 4k deaths is achieved in 2 days.

RobertHively
6 years ago

This post kept coming back to me... Just in the back of my mind, wondering what it was that was so dumb about it. So I had to look at the actual numbers.

Average death in the US is 250k/month... Specific months is pretty meaningless at this level....end of March we only had 165k total cases. And keep in mind it takes a couple weeks to actually die, so let's see how many cases would have been able to end in fatality in March.... backing it up about 10days gives us 20k cases.

The idiot was looking at the absolute beginning of our current pandemic, the effect of 20k cases (which was about 4k deaths)... And you are extrapolating that even further to suggest that it means people are making up the deaths.

Those numbers from Mar 2019 to Mar 2020 didn't look different because 4k deaths is the error bar between 250k. Not because people are making up deaths.

We're now at a point where 4k deaths is achieved in 2 days.

victor809 wrote:



Noted. Victor for under count.

Some doctors have said that this has been blown way out of proportion, especially when you compare it to other colds and viruses such as influenza. I agree with them, so put me down for over count.
teedubbya
6 years ago
Some doctors? Lol

I’m sorry it’s not even a debate. The actual numbers are undercounted both number of cases and deaths. The death rate is overstated a bit but it’s much more deadly than the flu.

The misinformation is dangerous. If you choose to believe misinformation that’s ok. I believe chupacabras can fly.
RobertHively
6 years ago

Some doctors? Lol

I’m sorry it’s not even a debate. The actual numbers are undercounted both number of cases and deaths. The death rate is overstated a bit but it’s much more deadly than the flu.

The misinformation is dangerous. If you choose to believe misinformation that’s ok. I believe chupacabras can fly.

teedubbya wrote:



That's ok. I still like you.
teedubbya
6 years ago
This is an easy one and I don’t say stuff like this often but if you really believe the cases being reported are over counted nationally then you are truly gullible and dumb.

And that’s not to say the counts are precise down to the person. Finding a case or group of cases one way or another doesn’t say much.

The cases are undercounted period. Lack of testing is a big culprit.
frankj1
6 years ago
robert isn't dumb.
I don't agree with him on this, I have full faith in your reports from the front, but he's really wicked smaht.
teedubbya
6 years ago
If he believes the cases are over counted nationally he’s dumb. At least on this subject. Any amount of legitimate information makes it obvious. To continue to believe makes a person willfully dumb.

And look back to try to find an example of me saying similar previously. I don’t.
frankj1
6 years ago
don't raise your voice at me youngster!
teedubbya
6 years ago
Nah. Said it in softer than normal matter of fact voice. To me its just dumb and uninformed or misinformed and obvious. Not upsetting though. There are still folks that believe Obama wasn’t born here and there are folks that believe 2 plus 2 isn’t four. It falls somewhere in between those two.
RobertHively
6 years ago
Thanks Frank. Are you my vet?
teedubbya
6 years ago
Franks just a nice guy that hates it when the kids fight.

I value different opinions. That’s not what this is and it’s not personal but I will continue to push back on the disinformation.
RobertHively
6 years ago

Franks just a nice guy that hates it when the kids fight.

I value different opinions. That’s not what this is and it’s not personal but I will continue to push back on the disinformation.

teedubbya wrote:




Have you ever seen Stephen Kings "The Stand"? It's a four part, 8 hour film about a super flu that escapes from a bio lab. They name the flu "Captain Trips". Anyway, it kills 99.4% of people in the world. I think it would have to be something like that to make me truly freak out. (Frank we'll change the beach house to a bunker if this happens)

Other than a Captain Trips type of scenario I choose to just go on with my life and to not be fearful. Everything thing we do in life has some inherent risk, we just have to be vigilant but not afraid imo.

So for me if the numbers are ultimately twice that of what you mentioned I'm still not overly concerned, especially living in my part of the country.

CDC numbers, for 2018, say that 80,000 people died of influenza. It was a bad year. I had know clue. I still traveled, went out, etc. If they closed the entire country down for it I still woulda went out just like everybody else.

teedubbya
6 years ago
Oh I’m with you on not freaking out. And some of the actions taken have gone too far. That’s absolutely a legitimate debate.

I’m primarily responding to undercount verses over count. That’s the part that’s not really debatable to anyone involved in it.

And I liked the stand the first time. Tried to watch it again recently but didn’t have the patience.
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