delta1
5 years ago
those who support continued reliance on fossil fuels conveniently ignore the eventual cleanup costs that will be left when the big oil and gas companies go belly up when the profits dry up not long after the wells do...

capitalists leaving the people to pay their bills...like the gold and silver and copper and other precious metals mining businesses...the coal mining business...manufacturing, factories, assembly plants



here's a list and a map of environmental clean-up at sites abandoned by businesses that have left the US tax-payer to foot the bill:

https://www.epa.gov/superfund/search-superfund-sites-where-you-live 

DrafterX
5 years ago
I blame Biden... 😟
HockeyDad
5 years ago

Not sure how I went from opposing the XL pipeline extension because of it's proposed route to supporting a green new deal and opposing big oil and gas? Want to build a pipeline? Go for it. They're a necessity.

CelticBomber wrote:



Ima stop you right there. All that Native American crap has nothing to do with killing this pipeline. Nobody gives a crap about their tribal land. That’s all just Tonto virtue signaling.

This is about killing the entire new pipeline. There is no route B option and there is not going to be. The intended consequences will now be unleashed.

I said in 2011 this pipeline would never happen. Finally we get to stick a fork in it.
CelticBomber
5 years ago

Ima stop you right there. All that Native American crap has nothing to do with killing this pipeline. Nobody gives a crap about their tribal land. That’s all just Tonto virtue signaling.

This is about killing the entire new pipeline. There is no route B option and there is not going to be. The intended consequences will now be unleashed.

I said in 2011 this pipeline would never happen. Finally we get to stick a fork in it.

HockeyDad wrote:




Are you out of your mind? Four parts of the Keystone pipeline are built and pumping crude 24/7 from Canada to Texas, Illinois and Oklahoma. This was one extension of that pipeline that was killed because of the proposed route. Tonto virtue signaling? I wonder if you would have said that if it were going through another races lands.... Moron.
delta1
5 years ago
it's the fault of the Canucks...they're hoping to get back some up-front costs of harvesting oil from shale, a very expensive and damaging effort to retrieve fossil fuels, by an inexpensive way to move the product through our back-yard...a win-lose deal that had us penciled in as the "sucker"...

that was your assessment then...and nothing's changed

they have other options to move the oil...let them build their own pipeline to the Great Lakes


trying to prop up the fossil fuel industry and helping it squeeze every drop out of the earth regardless of long-term costs will prove to be a huge mistake, fiscally and environmentally...


teedubbya
5 years ago

I blame Biden... 😟

DrafterX wrote:




The right wing pundits say he is the devil and stuff
HockeyDad
5 years ago

those who support continued reliance on fossil fuels conveniently ignore the eventual cleanup costs that will be left when the big oil and gas companies go belly up when the profits dry up not long after the wells do...

capitalists leaving the people to pay their bills...like the gold and silver and copper and other precious metals mining businesses...the coal mining business...manufacturing, factories, assembly plants

delta1 wrote:



Boo capitalism! Ever see the list of what would be the equivalent of Superfund sites from socialist or communist countries? What do they call their Superfund?

delta1
5 years ago
but..he's got dementia...he's sleepy...old and feeble...he's a pedo...
teedubbya
5 years ago
Laying a little pipe sure sounds good about now
delta1
5 years ago

Boo capitalism! Ever see the list of what would be the equivalent of Superfund sites from socialist or communist countries? What do they call their Superfund?

HockeyDad wrote:




says a guy who's comfortably wrapped in his capitalist cocoon...let them eat cake...my part of the world is great for as long as I need it...F everybody else, since that's what they do...


there are growing numbers of corporations who are good citizens, that are careful not crapping on others while making a buck...and stuff...
teedubbya
5 years ago

but..he's got dementia...he's sleepy...old and feeble...he's a pedo...

delta1 wrote:




He like hillary will die or resign before 4 years are up because they are so sick and stuff. it is actually the plan. the dems like running people at the top that folks hate (like hillary who was very VERY sick) and then getting in office having them croak out or die then the VP who is even more terrible can take their place..... bahahahahah a master plan. it makes so much sense.

Thats not to say old the old man might not go but for Christ sakes the stoopid is fun to watch. I also heard trump won in a landslide and stuff and obama was bornin Kenya. Who writes this stuff. Reminds me of the old Billy Crystal sitcom Soap. Not in any way believable but still fun.

Ok back to the circular conversation about the most important thing ever to this country.... the xl pipeline and Drafter.
HockeyDad
5 years ago

Are you out of your mind? Four parts of the Keystone pipeline are built and pumping crude 24/7 from Canada to Texas, Illinois and Oklahoma. This was one extension of that pipeline that was killed because of the proposed route. Tonto virtue signaling? I wonder if you would have said that if it were going through another races lands.... Moron.

CelticBomber wrote:



It wasn’t killed because of the proposed route and it wasn’t killed because of the Native Americans. They are just a pawn.

I’m sure it feels great to pretend to care about them. I’m sure you’ll eagerly await seeing the alternative pipeline routes.
teedubbya
5 years ago
Next lets talk about that ANWAR Sadat guy.
delta1
5 years ago
#151 ^^well, they made fun of libs for pointing out Trump's weak sauce and fake stuff......

he did help the rich people and big profitable American businesses that were in danger of exceeding their projected gains by only a little...without cutting any expenses...you'd think our national goal is to raise the biggest hogs...
CelticBomber
5 years ago

It wasn’t killed because of the proposed route and it wasn’t killed because of the Native Americans. They are just a pawn.

I’m sure it feels great to pretend to care about them. I’m sure you’ll eagerly await seeing the alternative pipeline routes.

HockeyDad wrote:




You need your meds adjusted.
HockeyDad
5 years ago

says a guy who's comfortably wrapped in his capitalist cocoon...let them eat cake...my part of the world is great for as long as I need it...F everybody else, since that's what they do...


there are growing numbers of corporations who are good citizens, that are careful not crapping on others while making a buck...and stuff...

delta1 wrote:




Actually my capitalist cocoon is green energy. That is why it is so comfortable right now. Surprise!!!

Most corporations are actually good citizens. It’s just trendy to act like that isn’t true and lump them all into one stereotype.
HockeyDad
5 years ago

You need your meds adjusted.

CelticBomber wrote:



I do not take meds but I will accept that as an excuse for you not knowing what you are talking about. It’s OK, we’ve saved the tribe lands. Group hug!
HockeyDad
5 years ago



Ok back to the circular conversation about the most important thing ever to this country.... the xl pipeline and Drafter.

teedubbya wrote:



It’s not really circular.

Obama: I reject it.
Republicans: that’s awful and an outrage.
Trump: I approve it.
Democrats: that’s awful and an outrage.
Biden: I reject it.
Republicans: that’s awful and an outrage.

It’s binary.

HockeyDad: ship that oil to China instead! Advance green energy by force.
delta1
5 years ago

Actually my capitalist cocoon is green energy. That is why it is so comfortable right now. Surprise!!!

Most corporations are actually good citizens. It’s just trendy to act like that isn’t true and lump them all into one stereotype.

HockeyDad wrote:




the fossil fuel industry has some that make in onto a few top 100 good corporate citizens lists...

but it is also the industry that has made climate change an existential threat...


kinda like the NCAA putting LeBron into their HOF
RayR
5 years ago
Climate change is an existential threat? 😨 What moron said that?:-k
I know I heard it somewhere before.
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