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HockeyDad
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3 years ago

#21

Sig Sauer wasn’t very popular during the “Wild West” days.

Stogie1020
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3 years ago

#22

had to go back to check if I had a false memory...

Si Sauer P320.
42 since 2016 covering 22 states.
At least one involved a cop shot in her department headquarters by the gun in her purse while she sat and talked.

Not gonna bother looking for other types, just saying it's been proven to happen.

Baldwin...? none of us has a Clue what happened.

frankj1 wrote:

https://www.omahaoutdoors.com/blog/sig-sauer-p320-fails-drop-test/

frankj1
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3 years ago

#23

https://www.omahaoutdoors.com/blog/sig-sauer-p320-fails-drop-test/

I read of more than one instance where jostling caused it to fire...

Hey, I'm among the least knowledgeable people on the subject, but it feels like Baldwin is what is coloring opinions.

Sunoverbeach
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3 years ago

#24

Sig has since corrected the issue I believe

HockeyDad
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3 years ago

#25

He said “beaver tail”! Heh! Heh!

frankj1
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3 years ago

#26

can a prop gun even shoot live ammo?

edin508
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3 years ago

#27

can a prop gun even shoot live ammo?

frankj1 wrote:

My 320 can!
He didn't want to use prop guns, weren't realistic enough for him.

Hi, Frank!

Edited by user 3 years ago | Reason: Not specified

frankj1
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3 years ago

#28

My 320 can!
He didn't want to use prop guns, weren't realistic enough for him.

Hi, Frank!

edin508 wrote:

ED!!!
How's the (old and new) family?

Miss ya buddy.
Let's get together with tail for a dinner and herf soooon!

Sunoverbeach
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3 years ago

#29

If I understand correctly, a true prop gun looks realistic, but can't fire. That's added later digitally.

A lot of times though, they'll use actual firearms that can fire any ammunition, but blanks are supposed to be used on set

edin508
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3 years ago

#30

ED!!!
How's the (old and new) family?

Miss ya buddy.
Let's get together with tail for a dinner and herf soooon!

frankj1 wrote:

Little one is 4! And yeah, the girls have taken over the house. I'm usually around homie, mr mom these days.
And yup!

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frankj1
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3 years ago

#31

Little one is 4! And yeah, the girls have taken over the house. I'm usually around homie, mr mom these days.
And yup!

edin508 wrote:

Max, right? 4? Yikes.

I'll get on it, Chief.
Joe and I might still owe you a dinner...

Edited by user 3 years ago | Reason: Not specified

rfenst
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3 years ago

#32

It feels like Baldwin is what is coloring opinions.

frankj1 wrote:

I agree. And we don't know the whole story.

Other than that, he definitely irritates me.

bgz
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3 years ago

#33

Camping trip didn't go well huh?

CelticBomber
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3 years ago

#34

This is what happens when you take Ritalin while reading old Nancy Drew novels...

The More You Know!

Walls close in on Alec Baldwin as his gun lie falls apart

Alec Baldwin has always insisted, despite all evidence to the contrary, that he didn’t pull that trigger.

The FBI now says that he did. That finding, released over the weekend, comes just after the Santa Fe Sheriff’s Office announced it’s only waiting for Baldwin’s phone records before sending its investigative file to the DA’s office.

Are the walls closing in yet, Alec?

This FBI report is reason to cheer. Not since OJ Simpson have we seen someone so guilty act so aggrieved, entitled, put-upon and victimized, as if this whole tragedy has affected no one more than Baldwin himself — not Halyna Hutchins’ husband, not her little boy, so traumatized after her death that he couldn’t speak for days, but Alec freaking Baldwin.

Think that’s overstatement? Let me count the ways: Gallivanting through the Hamptons and Vermont, just days after the shooting, Baldwin shopping at Ralph Lauren and preening before the paps — you know, the ones he otherwise hates and physically attacks — so they could get the perfect shot of Baldwin, inside a gleaming restaurant, holding his head in his hands. The bizarre roadside presser with his fake Spanish wife, the Rachel Dolezal of the Hamptons, in which he claimed the “Rust” set was run by “a very, very well-oiled crew” who just had the bad luck to suffer this “one in a trillion” tragedy.

The barrage of social media posts in the days after, Hilaria and Alec gloating over their family — that is, when Hilaria wasn’t getting in on the victim act herself, writing that “parenting through this has been an intense experience, to say the least.”

Know what else will be an intense experience? Criminal charges, jail time, and the loss of all his money in civil litigation. (On Monday, the New Mexico medical investigator ruled the shooting an accident; the district attorney has yet to decide whether to file charges.)

Did I mention that the Baldwins thought there was no better time to buy a sprawling, historic Vermont farmhouse for $1.75 million?

That’s how delusional these two are. How surely they believe Alec to be above the law or any consequence.

As two firearms experts in on-set safety told me last year: Guns don’t fire themselves. Alec Baldwin, for all his caterwauling and crocodile tears, pulled that trigger and killed Halyna Hutchins.

“I’m not aware of any gun firing itself,” veteran Hollywood firearms expert Steve Wolf told me last December, after Alec’s poor-me softball sit-down with ABC’s George Stephanopolous — his good pal from the Hamptons social scene, not that either disclosed that little conflict of interest.

“The trigger still must have been pressed,” Wolf said. “It’s really important to discredit anyone who claims that guns fire themselves. If this becomes an acceptable defense, there goes any accountability when it comes to shooting people. We can’t have this kind of ‘Guns shoot themselves’ thing. They don’t.”

Former FBI agent-turned-Hollywood firearms consultant Bobby Chacon told me the same thing.

“The bullet striking and killing that woman came out of the barrel of the gun pointed directly at her,” Chacon said. “Bullets don’t curve. He isn’t in ‘The Matrix.’ The trigger would still have to be pulled.”

Alec, to Stephanopolous: “I would never point a gun at anyone and pull the trigger at them. Never.” Also, he was brazen enough to say he felt no guilt.

This was the same interview in which Baldwin claimed Hutchins told him to point the gun at her. “Everything is at her direction,” he said. “I’m holding the gun where she told me to hold it, which ended up right below her armpit.”

So which is it, Alec? You’d never point a gun at anyone, or you pointed the gun at Hutchins because she told you to? And if it’s the latter, what are we to infer — that Hutchins is to blame for you pulling the trigger and shooting her to death?

It’s all so vile, but take heart: As a producer on “Rust,” Baldwin may also share blame for the rookie mistakes and cost-cutting that led up to this tragedy. Don’t forget that on the morning Hutchins was killed, seven crew members walked off the set over safety concerns.

At least one had sounded the alarm to the unit production manager, at one point texting, “We’ve now had three accidental discharges. This is super unsafe.”

It’s easy to see how such standard safety protocols went ignored and how dire warnings were shrugged off. As the old saying goes, the fish rots from the head, and Baldwin, as we’ve all seen over the past year, lives in a reality of his own making: His wife, née Hillary Thomas from Boston, is, through sheer force of make-believe and some bronzer, Spanish. His great friend Woody Allen is just misunderstood.

And, of course, it’s totally proper to brag about your happy family life incessantly on Instagram while ignoring your part in destroying another young family.

In Baldwin’s demented worldview, anyone who thinks he’s responsible for the death of a beautiful young wife and mother, her whole life and career ahead of her, must be motivated by animus or greed. Even the widower.

“What you have is a certain group of people, litigants and whatever” — ! — “on whatever side, who, their attitude is, ‘Well, the people who likely seem negligent have no money, and the people who have money are not negligent.’ ”

This was Baldwin in March, weeks after Hutchins’ widower filed his civil suit against Baldwin and went on the “Today” show, calmly expressing his justifiable anger over Baldwin’s interview with Stephanopolous.

“Hearing him blame Halyna in the interview and shift responsibility to others and seeing him cry about it — I just feel, are we really supposed to feel bad about you, Mr. Baldwin?”

Hutchins went on to state the obvious, which again continues to elude Baldwin — Baldwin, who prides himself on being smarter than the average Hollywood duck, what with his one-time NPR show and his bestselling memoir and his coverage in The New Yorker and telling the New York Times that he was qualified to be governor of New York. Oh, and his liberal bona fides with his “SNL” spoofs of Donald Trump, a man he has more in common with than he could ever admit.

Lest there remain any doubt as to who Alec Baldwin really is, consider these text messages between Baldwin and Matt Hutchins — whom Baldwin was so quick to befriend in the hours after the shooting.

Wednesday, Dec. 1, 2021, after Hutchins reaches out to Baldwin:

AB: I am with my kids.

!!!!!!!

AB: Your attorney told me not to contact you. So . . . what’s up?

What’s up? That says it all. That’s Baldwin saying: Why are you bothering me, what could you possibly have to say, can’t we just do this through lawyers, what are you, sad or something?

AB: Make sure you tell your lawyer that you reached out to me and not vice versa.

MH: Of course. You can always text me if you have something on your mind.

AB: Your lawyer sent a variant of a cease and desist to me. Told me not to contact you. So, there’s that.

How callous. How heartless — especially for someone who has spent the past 10 months begging for sympathy and understanding.

Karma isn’t a big enough concept to describe what Alec Baldwin has coming. Fortunately for decent people everywhere, sloppy emotional ploys and disgusting attempts to blame the victim do not apply to the criminal justice system, the FBI, or the laws of physics.

So, you know, there’s that.

https://nypost.com/2022/08/15/walls-close-in-on-alec-baldwin-as-his-gun-lie-falls-apart/

Bang bang shoooot....

DrMaddVibe wrote:

Gene363
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3 years ago

#35

I read of more than one instance where jostling caused it to fire...

Hey, I'm among the least knowledgeable people on the subject, but it feels like Baldwin is what is coloring opinions.

frankj1 wrote:

No kidding, instead of being his usual arrogant, I did nothing wrong, self, and he had apologized for accidentally killing someone in a stupid act, he would be far ahead of the game.

If the revolver in question had a light trigger or some other defect that may have contributed to the accident, the FBI would have discovered the problem. Regardless of what you might think of the FBI, they do have competent gun experts. Baldwin was mishandling a firearm and killed another human being. On the bright side, maybe he can apply for one of the new its positions.

Rant on
This is what "triggered" a lot of gun users, they knew unless there was some highly unusual and most unlikely defect in this single action revolver, it did not go off without having the trigger cocked and someone pulling the trigger, two separate acts that are required to fire a single action revolver. It goes along with the nonsense about scary black rifles being bad, they do nothing bad at all unless some criminal choses to use them to commit a crime. Guns are inanimate objects.
Rant off

](*,)

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DrMaddVibe
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3 years ago

#36

No kidding, instead of being his usual arrogant, I did nothing wrong, self, and he had apologized for accidentally killing someone in a stupid act, he would be far ahead of the game.

If the revolver in question had a light trigger or some other defect that may have contributed to the accident, the FBI would have discovered the problem. Regardless of what you might think of the FBI, they do have competent gun experts. Baldwin was mishandling a firearm and killed another human being. On the bright side, maybe he can apply for one of the new its positions.

Rant on
This is what "triggered" a lot of gun users, they knew unless there was some highly unusual and most unlikely defect in this single action revolver, it did not go off without having the trigger cocked and someone pulling the trigger, two separate acts that are required to fire a single action revolver. It goes along with the nonsense about scary black rifles being bad, they do nothing bad at all unless some criminal choses to use them to commit a crime. Guns are inanimate objects.
Rant off

](*,)

Gene363 wrote:

+1, but Celtic has more to know than most people.

Edited by user 3 years ago | Reason: Not specified

Stogie1020
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3 years ago

#37

I am really curious who actually cocked the hammer back on the revolver. I doubt we will ever know, but I am curious, since technically that moved the revolver from "loaded and in battery" to "loaded, in battery and ready to fire".