rfenst
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4 years ago
I think that some really bad **** is becoming very concerning.
What say you?
bgz
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4 years ago
Mother do you think they'll drop the bomb?
Mother do you think they'll like the song?
Mother do you think they'll try to break my balls?
Krazeehorse
4 years ago
Nancy says borders are inviolable. Send our sons to die for them.
Speyside2
4 years ago
It is obvious Putin will occupy Ukraine. To stop this from happening there is no tenable answer. Putin is banking on the world not being willing to go to war with him, Hitler did the same. Biden seems to be our Neville Chamberlin.
RayR
4 years ago

It is obvious Putin will occupy Ukraine. To stop this from happening there is no tenable answer. Putin is banking on the world not being willing to go to war with him, Hitler did the same. Biden seems to be our Neville Chamberlin.

Speyside2 wrote:



I thought Trump was Hitler?
Now Putin is Hitler? 😕
Sunoverbeach
4 years ago
Why can't I take soccer seriously?
Because I'm just doing it for the kicks
MACS
4 years ago
I wonder if Putin takes over Ukraine he'll finish the investigation and find out ol' Bidey and his boy Hunter are corrupt as fook and release the information?

That'd be hilarious.
BuckyB93
4 years ago
Maybe he needs to get a Risk card. Plus, if he gets it, he denies his completion from getting their 5 armies every turn if they are trying to hold the European continent.

Not a bad move in the game of Risk but Europe and Asia are hard to hold unless you have a bunch of armies to defend them.
BuckyB93
4 years ago
DrMaddVibe
4 years ago

It is obvious Putin will occupy Ukraine. To stop this from happening there is no tenable answer. Putin is banking on the world not being willing to go to war with him, Hitler did the same. Biden seems to be our Neville Chamberlin.

Speyside2 wrote:



Putin is one of the smartest world leaders, that's a fact.

Ukraine borders Russia like Mexico borders the US. It's not obvious Russia wants a world War over a nation it influences.

Hitler showed the world he was ramping up his war machine in Spain during their revolution. Right now China is flexing their military.

Neville Chamberlin went to Hitler and wanted peace. Hitler wanted piece too. Chamberlin went down in history as being a fool. King Bidas was a fool already and is mentally diminutive to Chamberlin.
ZRX1200
4 years ago
All I hear is the Military Industrial Complex ramping up and incumbents feeling good about themselves.

It’s for the country and the children!
rfenst
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4 years ago

All I hear is the Military Industrial Complex ramping up and incumbents feeling good about themselves.

It’s for the country and the children!

ZRX1200 wrote:


Well, at least that could be good for the economy...
DrMaddVibe
4 years ago
How many billions in military equipment are we going to leave there???
RayR
4 years ago
^ That's pretty much it. As always, lots of profits pounding the war drums and supplying bombs and guns to foreign govt's at the taxpayer's expense.
The Biden administrations has a poor approval rating due in part to not controlling the Mexican border so they try to deflect attention to make it like they are doing something noble at the Russian/Ukraine border.
It's not our fight. I don't think Putin is willing to risk a greater war in Europe over the Ukraine, at least I would hope he's not that dumb.
rfenst
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4 years ago
Where Is Germany in the Ukraine Standoff? Its Allies Wonder.

Germany’s allies have begun to question what price Berlin is prepared to pay to deter Russia, and even its reliability as an ally, as it wavers on tough measures.

NYT

BERLIN — The United States and its NATO allies are moving to bulk up their military commitments in the Baltics and Eastern Europe as the standoff with Russia over Ukraine deepens.

Denmark is sending fighter jets to Lithuania and a frigate to the Baltic Sea. France has offered to send troops to Romania. Spain is sending a frigate to the Black Sea. President Biden has put thousands of U.S. troops on “high alert.”

And then there is Germany. In recent days Germany — Europe’s largest and richest democracy, strategically situated at the crossroads between East and West — has stood out more for what it will not do than for what it is doing.

No European country matters more to European unity and the Western alliance. But as Germany struggles to overcome its post-World War II reluctance to lead on security matters in Europe and set aside its instinct to accommodate rather than confront Russia, Europe’s most pivotal country has waffled in the first crucial test for the new government of Chancellor Olaf Scholz.

Germany’s evident hesitation to take forceful measures has fueled doubts about its reliability as an ally — reversing the dynamic with the United States in recent years — and added to concerns that Moscow could use German wavering as a wedge to divide a united European response to any Russian aggression.

President Biden held a video call with European leaders on Monday night, saying it went “very, very, very” well, and beforehand Chancellor Scholz reiterated that Russia would suffer “high costs” in case of a military intervention. But Germany’s allies have still been left to wonder what cost it is prepared to bear to confront possible Russian aggression.

The German chancellor, Olaf Scholz, in Berlin this month. Mr. Scholz’s Social Democrats have traditionally favored a policy of working with the Russians.

“Within the European Union Germany is crucial to achieve unity,” said Norbert Röttgen, a senior conservative lawmaker and advocate of a more muscular German foreign policy. “Putin’s goal is to split the Europeans, and then split Europe and the U.S. If the impression prevails that Germany is not fully committed to a strong NATO response, he will have succeeded in paralyzing Europe and dividing the alliance.”

As Russia held military drills near the Ukrainian border on Tuesday, Mr. Scholz met with President Emmanuel Macron of France in Berlin, warning Moscow that “a military aggression calling into question the territorial integrity of Ukraine would have grave consequences.”

But the German government has not only ruled out any arms exports to Ukraine — it is also holding up a shipment of nine Communist-era howitzers from Estonia to Ukraine.

Mr. Scholz and other senior Social Democrats in his government and party have been vague about whether shuttering the controversial Nord Stream 2 undersea gas pipeline from Russia to Germany would be part of an arsenal of possible sanctions against Russia, insisting it was a “private -sector project” and one “separate” from Ukraine.

Friedrich Merz, the designated new leader of Angela Merkel’s opposition conservative party, meanwhile, has warned against excluding Russian banks from the Swift payment transactions network, which handles global financial transfers, because it would “harm” Germany’s economic interests.

Germany’s muddled stance has been especially unsettling to Ukraine and some of Germany’s eastern neighbors. The Ukrainian foreign minister, Dmytro Kuleba, accused Berlin of effectively “encouraging” Russian aggression. Other were no less scathing.

“Berlin is making a big strategic mistake and putting its reputation at risk,” Laurynas Kasčiūnas, chairman of the national security committee of the Lithuanian Parliament told the public broadcaster LRT.

Artis Pabriks, Latvia’s defense minister, said these days German deterrence was “not sending weapons to Ukraine, but a field hospital.”

The strain in the alliance came to a head last weekend when the chief of the German Navy said that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia deserved “respect” and that Crimea would “never” be returned to Ukraine. Vice Adm. Kay-Achim Schönbach, resigned, but the backlash was swift and emotional.

“This patronizing attitude subconsciously also reminds Ukrainians of the horrors of the Nazi occupation, when Ukrainians were treated as subhuman,” said Andriy Melnyk, Ukraine’s ambassador to Germany.

Washington has been at pains to publicly stress its trust in Berlin, while privately lobbying Mr. Scholz to take a harder line.

President Biden sent several emissaries to Berlin. William J. Burns, head of the C.I.A., presented the chancellor with the latest intelligence on Ukraine. Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken, who stopped in Berlin before meeting his Russian counterpart in Geneva last week, said on Sunday he had “no doubts” over Germany’s determination to stand up to Russia.

“It is telling that the U.S. has to publicly reaffirm its trust in Germany,” Jana Puglierin of the Berlin-based European Council on Foreign Relations said. “That used to be a given.”

The wrenching debate over where precisely German loyalties lie is not new. Russian-German relations have been shaped by centuries of trade and cultural exchange but also two World Wars. The Cold War added yet another layer of complexity: West Germany became firmly embedded in the Western alliance while East Germany lived under Soviet occupation.

“Why do we see Russia differently from the Americans? History,” said Matthias Platzeck, chairman of the Russian-German Forum and a former chair of Mr. Scholz’ Social Democrats. “Germany and Russia have been linked for a thousand years. The biggest Russian czarina was Catherine the Great, a German, who incidentally made Crimea part of Russia.”

“We attacked Russia twice, and the second time it was a genocidal war,” he added. “Twenty-seven million Soviets died, 15 million Russians among them.”

A brewing conflict. Antagonism between Ukraine and Russia has been simmering since 2014, when the Russian military crossed into Ukrainian territory, annexing Crimea and whipping up a rebellion in the east. A tenuous cease-fire was reached in 2015, but peace has been elusive.

A spike in hostilities. Russia has recently been building up forces near its border with Ukraine, and the Kremlin’s messaging toward its neighbor has hardened. Concern grew in late October, when Ukraine used an armed drone to attack a howitzer operated by Russian-backed separatists.

Ominous warnings. Russia called the strike a destabilizing act that violated the cease-fire agreement, raising fears of a new intervention in Ukraine that could draw the United States and Europe into a new phase of the conflict.

The Kremlin’s position. President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, who has increasingly portrayed NATO’s eastward expansion as an existential threat to his country, said that Moscow’s military buildup was a response to Ukraine’s deepening partnership with the alliance.

Rising tension. Western countries have tried to maintain a dialogue with Moscow. But administration officials recently warned that the U.S. could throw its weight behind a Ukrainian insurgency should Russia invade.

That does not mean that Germany has failed to stand up to Russia in recent years. Germany commands a multinational NATO battle unit in Lithuania and helps monitor Baltic airspace for Russian interference. It is planning to send fighter jets to Romania next month to do the same there. (And yes, it is also sending a field hospital to Kyiv next month.)

In 2014, when Mr. Putin invaded Ukraine and annexed Crimea, it was Ms. Merkel who rallied neighboring countries in East and West to back tough sanctions on Russia.

But the change of German leadership after 16 years of Ms. Merkel has put in place a government that is divided on how hard a line to draw with Russia.

Mr. Scholz’s Social Democrats have traditionally favored a policy of working with the Russians. In the 1970s, Chancellor Willy Brandt engineered the policy of rapprochement with Moscow during the Cold War, while the last Social Democratic chancellor, Gerhard Schröder, is not just a close friend of Mr. Putin (he celebrated his 70th birthday with him) but has been on the payroll of Russian energy companies since 2005.

The new Green Party foreign minister, Annalena Baerbock, has been more outspoken on being tougher on Russia. But even she has drawn a line on sending German arms to Ukraine, citing “history.”

The arms-export policy in many ways embodies the modern German paradox of a nation that knows it has to assume more leadership responsibility in the world but is not quite ready to act that way.

“The idea that Germany delivers weapons that could then be used to kill Russians is very difficult to stomach for many Germans,” said Marcel Dirsus, a political analyst and nonresident fellow at the Institute for Security Policy at Kiel University.

The government has been even more divided over Nord Stream 2, a gas pipeline owned by Gazprom, Russia’s state-owned energy company, that many fear will hand Mr. Putin an easy way to exert influence over America’s European allies.

Russia is Europe’s main supplier of natural gas. Once Nord Stream 2 is operational, Gazprom would be able to sell additional gas to European customers without paying transit fees to Ukraine.

While Ms. Baerbock, the Green Party foreign minister, has not been shy about expressing her hostility toward the project, Ms. Merkel and Mr. Scholz have defended it on economic and energy security grounds and long ruled out using it as leverage in talks about sanctions.

It was only last week, standing next to the NATO general secretary, that the chancellor shifted his language, saying that “everything” would be on the table in case of a Russian invasion.

“Putin gave NATO a new reason to exist,” said Mr. Dirsus of the Institute for Security Policy in Kiel. “Who knows, maybe he can teach the Germans once and for all that the world has changed and they need to be prepared to pay to defend peace.”
HockeyDad
4 years ago
With all these troop movements it makes me think the real story is Ukraine is refusing the Covid-19 vaccination.
DrMaddVibe
4 years ago
I take it the NY Times missed the story of Germany signing on for Russian natural gas??? 🤦

The sky is mostly blue with puffy white things floating around...get your NY Times here!
Dg west deptford
4 years ago
isn't it racist that privileged white American politicians want to maintain a pure Ukraine?

I get it though when pieces on the board start moving the game changes fast

Trump derangement syndrome has consequences

Lots of pieces are moving, dice are being rolled.

The outcome is a foregone conclusion

We need another speed bump like Trump was.
RayR
4 years ago
Bipartisanship: US House Races MASSIVE Ukraine Weapons Transfer to the Floor!

Written by daniel mcadams
Wednesday january 26, 2022

In Washington the global US military empire is a bipartisan affair. With a trillion dollar yearly military budget, there are plenty of opportunities for both the position and the opposition parties to thrust snouts deeply into the trough.

While Ron Paul was in Congress and GW Bush was president, we did a good deal to craft a bipartisan antiwar coalition in opposition to the Iraq war and other Bush-ite neocon misadventures. Then Obama was elected and pursued the same policies of global military empire - but with a better smile - and our coalition disintegrated. Suddenly the Democrats (with a couple of exceptions) were uninterested in the antiwar issue.

Such is the case now, when Obama's great "success" - the US-led coup in Ukraine - is back in the headlines. Now Obama's second fiddle is "in charge" of things and those under him who pull the levers are determined to solidify their "great achievement" of peeling Ukraine away from its neighbor and dropping that basket-case into the lap of Brussels and Washington. So for the past five weeks they have been ginning up the idea that Russia is about to invade Ukraine - even when Ukraine's own defense secretary is practically laughing at Washington's breathless assertions.

Said Ukrainian Defense Secretary Alexey Danilov:
As of today, we don’t see any grounds for statements about a full-scale offensive on our territory. It’s even physically impossible... Maybe, [seeing Russian troops] is an oddity to our foreign partners who finally saw that there are Russian forces and they move a certain way.

It must be comical for Russia to sit back and watch the US Keystone Kops at the helm of foreign policy blunder and bluster, with Biden's press secretary insisting that a Russian invasion of Ukraine is "imminent" even as the Ukrainians - who are in a position to know and also in a position to benefit if it was true - pour cold water on the Biden war-fear-porn.

More...

http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/congress-alert/2022/january/26/bipartisanship-us-house-races-massive-ukraine-weapons-transfer-to-the-floor/ 


DrMaddVibe
4 years ago

isn't it racist that privileged white American politicians want to maintain a pure Ukraine?

I get it though when pieces on the board start moving the game changes fast

Trump derangement syndrome has consequences

Lots of pieces are moving, dice are being rolled.

The outcome is a foregone conclusion

We need another speed bump like Trump was.

Dg west deptford wrote:



Meh...then we get the DNC monopoly losers that toss the board over and scatter everything when they lose.
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