MACS
4 years ago

I think they’re gonna have all the fairies fly it somewhere 😟

ZRX1200 wrote:



Hey, whoa... I don't think fairies is a word we're using anymore. They have pronouns and stuff. LGBTQ+ or something.

Don't say ghey, or pfag of fairy... get wit da program.

Oh... wait... you were talking about the actual fairies? I'll need a ruling from the leftists mafia, but I think you still may be in trouble because they'll take it out of context and cancel you.
DrMaddVibe
4 years ago

Anyone who reads this whole article and still thinks Desantis did something good for Florida is a franking idiot.

rfenst wrote:



LOL!

So, does that trick work in court? It doesn't work here. Bunch of ifs, coulds and woulds but we're supposed to not only take on that slimeball newspapers take on something but believe you too? Naw. You're DEAD WRONG on this one and something tells me deep down you know it too. The "naive" act about it being about even teaching sex ed is flat got nothing to do with what this is all about. Besides, why would you even want to teach a 5-8 year old about sex to begin with? They're a mile away from puberty and have a lot of growing up to do before putting the Birds and he Bees talk on them, much less why does my teacher Miss Michelle have a mustache and arms like a fullback!

It's pretty funny that you were the one that never read the bill that started all of this and still haven't. You think this about sex ed and are fine with teaching it to children in K-3rd grade?!? Those kids are still learning the alphabet, how to read, and write with crayons. That's not enough...NO, you want to sexualize children with homosexuality and whatever transgenderism? That's what the bill stops cold in its feet. That's what Disney was cooking up as well as trying to take on Florida politicians and Florida laws. The CEO put himself smack dab into the fray by saying he was going to take on the politicians and have the "Don't Say Gay" (even though the word gay isn't even in the 7 pages) bill. So, like it's been pointed out on the thread that a corporation is evil except when they want to sex up children.

At first I was willing to cut some slack and that perhaps you didn't read the bill but given your other thread about contact lenses...maybe you can't read. It's 7 pages and we went over it before. I showed you where it targeted early elementary school children and you STILL want to believe Disney is the "good guy" here?

Nope. They got exposed for the dark and sinister manner they were behaving in the shadows. as for the rest of that NY Times trash, they haven't even dug that deep and are not involved in the discussion unwrapping the Reedy Creek sweetheart deal Disney held for over 50 years. You're crying about having to pay higher taxes and they haven't paid hardly ANY, much less maintain the same compliance that the other parks and anyone else filing a permit to build something...anything!

No, not only did our governor and the other politicians that voted for this did something good...they did something great. Something that a lot of local politicians have wanted to do but didn't have the guts to do. Disney and Co. simply made it easier by playing politics and trying to not only have it their way...but their way too. Not yours.

DrMaddVibe
4 years ago
Yanking Privileges For Disney Isn’t ‘Revenge’ Or An Attack On Free Speech, It’s The Least Florida Can Do



Taking away public subsidies from a company that openly fights on behalf of child mutilation is a very low bar, and only moral barbarians would oppose it.


After Disney’s attempt to pressure Florida’s legislature into stopping an anti-pedophilia law resulted in the legislature re-examining Disney’s legal privileges, some pundits on the right complained. Charles Cooke and Jason Lee Steorts of National Review argued Florida’s energy in protecting children from state-sponsored grooming constituted “misguided” “retribution.”

Steorts even called it a “soft-authoritarian temper-tantrum.” “This was a use of state power to punish private speech,” Steorts claimed.

Erstwhile Donald Trump lawyer (and sometime Federalist author) Jenna Ellis joined the critics on social media into this week, also taking the free-speech absolutist angle. Of course, so did David French. Daily Wire Co-CEO Jeremy Boreing voiced some hesitancy as well.

These commentators argued that while it’s fine to reconsider Disney’s crony capitalist carveouts, it is not fine to do so right after Disney attempted to apply maximum political pressure against the authorities who control those carveouts. That, they claimed, would be “retaliation” against Disney’s “right to free speech.”

In other words, Disney can play hardball, but that game must remain one-sided. Because procedures and norms must always only be applied in one direction: left.

This is a gross misunderstanding of not only what’s at stake in this episode, which is really about a reorientation of the right’s political power to serve the right’s voters and values. It is also a gross misunderstanding of the Founders’ view of free speech, of the purposes of political power, and of the use of the virtue of prudence in political affairs.

The point of government is justice. And it is not just to allow the powerful to openly advocate for child mutilation and soul rape. So any political philosophy that claims we must simply allow this to happen is at best incomplete and at worst evil.

I am not arguing that these commentators support child grooming, of course; only that their political philosophy is warped if it cannot find a way to justly restrain public encouragement for child mutilation. The Founders’ view of free speech never would have allowed for such a clear abuse of that right. There are indeed proper limits on free speech; and they include using it to openly advocate atrocities against children. Some public sanction is certainly appropriate in this case, and it is not a violation of free speech rights to provide it.

Even if one were to concede that the most important value at stake here is free speech instead of forcing taxpayers to assist groomers in recruiting children to mutilate, Florida’s response to Disney was not retaliation. It was a proportionate, even mild, response to significant political pressure exerted by a private special interest.

Cooke even responded to those pointing out that Disney’s carveouts violate even the barebones, “free-market” kind of conservatism by calling that argument “an extreme form of gaslighting.” What’s actually gaslighting is telling people on the right that we have to be more concerned about a view of free speech that the people who wrote the Constitution would abhor instead of the fact that the political left, backed by the globe’s biggest and most powerful economic actors, will fight tooth and nail to ensure that creepers can talk to little kids about sex without their parents knowing.

Let’s be clear here. DeSantis has not banned Disney from Twitter, nor from Facebook, nor from any platform whatsoever. He hasn’t banned them from talking with lawmakers, nor from testifying on bills. Every Floridian employed by Disney who is a U.S. citizen remains free to equally access both the polls and his elected representatives.

Disney remains completely free to use all legal public and private forums it wishes to promote sex talk with children. Its access to free speech and the public square remains unfettered (unlike the only president of the United States alive to not have started a foreign war).

What’s “gaslighting” is to suggest that revoking legal privileges — not constitutional or natural rights, mind you, but special and exclusive legal privileges not available to others on an equal basis — is anything but the mildest of responses to Disney’s reprehensible use of its speech to protect and promote child mutilation.

It is not Florida that has broken its deal with Disney, it’s Disney that has broken its deal with the people of Florida. Corporations get special economic privileges because they claim to provide the public some good in exchange. There’s plenty more to the public good than bringing in revenue.

One extremely important public good is not talking to first graders about cutting off their breasts and penises, or psychologically damaging them with lies about what it means to be a man or woman. If one wanted to get technical, one’s right to life supercedes one’s right to speech; and children’s rights matter more than adults’ precisely because they cannot defend themselves either with speech or with force.

Disney chose to make it public that they support ravaging children, against the human rights and the interests of all Floridians and all human beings everywhere. They had a deal with Floridians to benefit children, and they broke that deal, disgustingly and proudly, in full daylight. Let it be upon their own heads, and let Florida’s legislature see that it is so.

In addition: A corporation is comprised of citizens, and it is not legally appointed to speak for anyone politically. We speak for ourselves, through the ballot box and our own speech and assembly. It is not up to a corporation to seize its employees’ or shareholders’ free speech rights. Rights are individual, not collective. They belong equally and individually to citizens, not to special interests that falsely claim to speak for others.

Like anyone else, Disney’s managers also may not use their speech or economic position as coercion: to effectively silence the political speech of their employees, customers, and shareholders. Disney didn’t merely attempt to speak, it attempted to coerce. It attempted to outvote the voters of Florida with a big name and a lot of money.

The state of Florida rejected that unilateral and disproportionate control of their public affairs by one private institution. Bully for them. The rest of us would hate Republicans a lot less if they all acted like this.

Besides a lack of understanding of the philosophy of the Founders who wrote our Constitution that ensures free speech in the context of its employment on behalf of the public good, what these commentators and the Republicans who use their sad arguments as fig leaves for cowardice so sadly misunderstand is the critical political virtue of prudence. Prudence means wisely applying one’s principles to the matter at hand, and judiciously deciding which principles to prioritize and in what order.

Obviously, the principle to apply here is the one that says sexually manipulating children is a gross evil, and no argument or law can be legitimately made in its defense. If the way you apply your principles results in forcing taxpayers to pay people to tell six-year-olds it’s glorious to mutilate their bodies, you need to get your philosophical house in order right quick.

Prudence is the essence of that New-Right phrase, “What time is it?” This phrase calls for applying our enduring constitutional principles in ways that befit the needs and threats of the moment and that seem likely to succeed in restoring a more constitutional public order. A clear tell for lacking prudence is sticking to inflexible and abstract free speech theories that allow for encouraging children to be mind-raped at public expense.

The people who vote to preserve what’s left of our constitutional rights and the natural order are not second-class citizens. We have a right to use legitimately acquired power for the truly understood good of the people.

In fact, we have more of a right to use power than do those who use it to erase our natural rights. We also rightly expect public officials to fight fiercely to preserve a just society, which includes not publicly subsidizing the advocacy of child mutilation.

Just as in foreign policy, we get peace in the culture war through strength, through imposing costs for attacks on the constitutionally understood social order. Not through inaction, cowardice, or appeasement. Taking away public subsidies from a company that openly fights on behalf of child mutilation is a very low bar to clear, and it’s not at all “principled” to oppose that.

https://thefederalist.com/2022/04/27/yanking-privileges-for-disney-isnt-revenge-or-an-attack-on-free-speech-its-the-least-florida-can-do/ 
RMAN4443
4 years ago

Hey, whoa... I don't think fairies is a word we're using anymore. They have pronouns and stuff. LGBTQ+ or something.

MACS wrote:



🤔

Goin' home, late last night
Suddenly I got a fright
Yeah I looked through a window and surprised what I saw
A fairy with boots and dancin' with a dwarf
All right now

Yeah, fairies wear boots and you gotta believe me
Yeah I saw it, I saw it, I tell you no lies
Yeah Fairies wear boots and you gotta believe me
I saw it, I saw it with my own two eyes
Oh all right now!

Yeah, fairies wear boots and you gotta believe me
Yeah I saw it, I saw it, I tell you no lies
Yeah fairies wear boots and you gotta believe me
I saw it, I saw it with my own two eyes,
All right now!

So I went to the doctor, see what he could give me
He said son, son, you've gone too far
'Cause smokin' and trippin' is all that you do
Yeah
ZRX1200
4 years ago
Doesn’t Tinkerbell have friends and family?
frankj1
4 years ago
pretty sure Robert posted the bill, or one proposed version of it, a couple of months ago.
DrMaddVibe
4 years ago

pretty sure Robert posted the bill, or one proposed version of it, a couple of months ago.

frankj1 wrote:




Go back and read that thread as well as this one.

Seriously.

If anyone wants take on that bill, its intention and its meaning...they need to check themselves in a mirror because they're not wired right.
frankj1
4 years ago
ya know, like who ya like. It's all good in America. In fact it's safer for both of us to allow for it.

But never lose perspective that even a benevolent dictator is bad in the bigger picture.

He is punishing dissent. In this case you are on his side of the issue at hand. Cool. But never support punishing dissent.

As my father taught me, you don't want to get everything you want, son. That's when you are part of the repression of the minority.
DrMaddVibe
4 years ago
Explains a lot.

[sarcasm]

I'm not going to defend groomers of children or the sitting President for what he does to children either.
frankj1
4 years ago
groomers is fake news.
MACS
4 years ago

groomers is fake news.

frankj1 wrote:



Why do they want to teach kids about sexuality so young, then?

Honestly, aside from the biology aspect... there is NO reason to teach kids about sex in school, especially that young. Sex Education for late teens (11th and 12th) okay... anything else? Yeah, nah... parents can handle it.
Sunoverbeach
4 years ago
It's been a struggle for me because I had a chance to be white and refused.
- RP
BuckyB93
4 years ago

groomers is fake news.

frankj1 wrote:



Groomers is not fake news. Fake news is something that is not real... it's fake This is real news. There is an agenda here that they are trying to implement on school children at an early age.

I'd have to agree with MACS on this.

What is the drive to teach and expose kids to sexuality and sex ed at such an early age? This topic should be discussed between parents and the kids when the parents decide that it's appropriate. This is not for the state to decide or the teachers.

When I had sex ed, it was in 6th grade. It was like a half hour or hour thing with a biology video of differences between boy and girl reproductive systems. Boys in one room with male teachers, girls in another with female teachers.

Parents where sent a letter describing what was going to be presented. They had to sign off on approval to allow the kids to go though the class and also given the opportunity to be present in the class room while the sex ed class was going on. If the parents disagreed with school giving the kids expose to sex ed, they checked the box saying to not let my child attend the sex ed class. (I think the kids that didn't attend went to the lunch room for some cartoons and snacks or something).

BuckyB93
4 years ago

Why do they want to teach kids about sexuality so young, then?

Honestly, aside from the biology aspect... there is NO reason to teach kids about sex in school, especially that young. Sex Education for late teens (11th and 12th) okay... anything else? Yeah, nah... parents can handle it.

MACS wrote:



This part I'd have to disagree with. Sex ed should be discussed at and around the time of puberty (just my opinion).

- Your voice is going to be squeaky and eventually get deeper.
- You'll start growing hair in places that hair never grew before.
- There's going to be some hormones that trigger lots of different things, both physically and emotionally.
- This is how babies are made.
- Etc...

But again, it should be at the parent's discretion to determine if they want their kids to be taught this within the school or at home. I'm not saying cancel all Sex Ed in the schools. It should be a topic addressed within the schools at the appropriate time (I would say not before 6th grade) and the parents should have the final veto if they want thier kids to be exposed to or not within the school.

The parents can have "that talk" with their kids and the varying topics of sex ed whenever they deem it appropriate. Maybe earlier, maybe later but it should ultimately be the parents who make the call on when and what not the schools, not the government, not the teachers... THE PARENTS.
RayR
4 years ago

I have it on good information that RayR could even hate Liechtenstein and Switzerland. The land of Lindor chocolate and assault rifles in every home.

HockeyDad wrote:



HOW DARE YOU HD! Have you lowered yourself to building STRAWMEN like Frank and B-G-Z, wherever he may be? 🤐
DrMaddVibe
4 years ago

groomers is fake news.

frankj1 wrote:




Thanks for showing us what side you chose to take.

THIS is why Disney is losing it's special rights at Reedy Creek...


Disney exposed: Leaked videos show officials pushing LGBT agenda, saying DeSantis wants to 'erase' gay kids



Videos posted on Twitter Tuesday by an investigative journalist appear to show multiple Disney officials pushing a progressive LGBT agenda on employees as the company finds itself in the middle of a political firestorm surrounding the parental rights bill, HB 1557, in Florida.

In videos posted by journalist Christopher F. Rufo, Disney officials can be seen talking to employees at an "all-hands" meeting about the Florida bill, recently signed into law by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, and saying some teams at Disney have implemented an openly "gay agenda."

https://tinyurl.com/yt8xn9eb 


In another video, Disney’s Diversity and Inclusion Manager Vivian Ware explains to employees that the company is ditching the words ladies, gentlemen, boys, and girls in its theme parks in order to not alienate transgender children.

https://tinyurl.com/3rhexdv5

In a third video, an LGBT activist accuses Florida’s Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis and his press secretary Christina Pushaw of trying to "erase" LGBT employees at Disney.

https://tinyurl.com/3rhexdv5

One of the videos shows a Disney official explaining that the company is committed to pushing "queer stories" and putting in place procedures to ensure that the company is creating enough "gender-nonconforming characters."


Disney corporate president Karey Burke said in another video that she would like to see at least 50% of Disney’s characters in the future identify as LGBT or a racial minority.

The Walt Disney Company did not immediately respond to a request for comment from Fox Business.

The in-house videos of Disney pushing the progressive agenda come a week after some Disney employees walked off the job last week protesting a perceived lack of company opposition to a Florida bill that prohibits teachers from providing instruction on sexual orientation and gender identity in kindergarten through third grade classrooms.

"TWDC must publicly commit to an actionable plan that protects employees from hateful legislation," the walkout group posted.

The actionable plan, according to the group, should reflect "commitment to the LGBTQIA+ community by stopping construction and investment in the state of Florida until hateful legislation is repealed" as well as "stopping any efforts to move employees to Florida office locations, ensuring employee safety and employment retention. Guaranteeing no employee will be terminated when denying relocation to FL."

Disney CEO Bob Chapek did not take a public position on the bill when it was first being debated in the Florida legislature but then apologized after backlash from the bill’s opponents and promised a pause on political donations in Florida and vowed Disney would contribute millions of dollars more to LGBTQ causes.

On Monday, following the announcement that DeSantis signed the bill, Disney released a statement slamming the move.

"Florida’s HB 1557, also known as the ‘Don’t Say Gay’ bill, should never have passed and should never have been signed into law," the company said in a statement. "Our goal as a company is for this law to be repealed by the legislature or struck down in the courts, and we remain committed to supporting the national and state organizations working to achieve that. We are dedicated to standing up for the rights and safety of LGBTQ+ members of the Disney family, as well as the LGBTQ+ community in Florida and across the country."

The seven-page bill does not ban the word "gay" in school settings and does not ban casual discussions of topics relating to sexual orientation and gender identity in the classroom but has nonetheless been referred to as the "Don’t Say Gay Bill" by numerous media outlets and Democrat politicians.

"For Disney to come out and put a statement and say that the bill should have never passed and that they are going to actively work to repeal it, I think, one, was fundamentally dishonest, but, two, I think that crossed the line," DeSantis said at a Tuesday press conference in response to Disney's statement.

DeSantis added, "This state is governed by the interests of the people of the state of Florida. It is not based on the demands of California corporate executives. They do not run this state. They do not control this state."



They were shown at their worst what they were doing. Then they wanted to jump into the political arena. The Florida House voted 70-38 to strip away the rights they enjoyed for decades. Several states are adopting the very same legislation as Florida following Disney's woke grooming agenda. Notice I didn't even mention Disney cozying up to authoritarian regimes like the CCP to make a buck off of the concentration camp inferred Uyghurs? Yeah, that's Disney too.
DrMaddVibe
4 years ago

This part I'd have to disagree with. Sex ed should be discussed at and around the time of puberty (just my opinion).

- Your voice is going to be squeaky and eventually get deeper.
- You'll start growing hair in places that hair never grew before.
- There's going to be some hormones that trigger lots of different things, both physically and emotionally.
- This is how babies are made.
- Etc...

But again, it should be at the parent's discretion to determine if they want their kids to be taught this within the school or at home. I'm not saying cancel all Sex Ed in the schools. It should be a topic addressed within the schools at the appropriate time (I would say not before 6th grade) and the parents should have the final veto if they want thier kids to be exposed to or not within the school.

The parents can have "that talk" with their kids and the varying topics of sex ed whenever they deem it appropriate. Maybe earlier, maybe later but it should ultimately be the parents who make the call on when and what not the schools, not the government, not the teachers... THE PARENTS.

BuckyB93 wrote:




Wholeheartedly agree.

This was never about Sex Ed though. That was a red-herring the Left wants everyone to believe that isn't true no matter how many times they utter it! Just like they did with the make-believe "Don't Say Gay". They brought that useless mantra in to defend the indefensible. This is about parental rights for early elementary children K-3rd grade that shouldn't be exposed to transgenderism and how Mr. Mackey, Jr. and his partner spent the weekend paddling down a creek. MMMmmmkay??? A teacher is there to teach children not spread a marginalized fringe agenda that goes against 98.2% of Americans belief systems. Truth be told nobody GAF what they do on their own. Fly your own freak flag. Seriously. School is school though. Nobody asked them nor is it required learning on their personal lives. If they cannot tell the difference, they're in the wrong occupation.
RayR
4 years ago
DMV...I think Frank has been groomed. :-k

Faced with all the evidence to the contrary, he believes that "groomers is fake news". 😞
DrMaddVibe
4 years ago
You can show them evidence that is unedited and real and people still choose to make stuff up. That's borderline insanity. Defending it though? That's f@cking evil.
RayR
4 years ago
“Evil: That which one believes of others. It is a sin to believe evil of others, but it is seldom a mistake” - HL Mencken
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