DrMaddVibe
3 years ago

No, I am talking about the Reed Creek District bonds. Desantis says that is Disney's bill, a state commission has been set up to adress this. As fae as I can find the bonds now fo to the 2 counties according to the law. It is an expense over 1B. That needs to play out. In addition the services also must be paid for the ex-district, fire, police, infrastructure and so on. Disney lost, but Florida may also.

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https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2023/01/06/new-details-emerge-in-desantis-disneys-reedy-creek-district-battle/ [/color]

“My constituents did not like the idea that a California company used their special privileges in order to attack the sovereignty of the state in which they were a guest,” Fine said. “And so they agreed with the idea of not giving Disney special privileges over their competitors, which is what we eliminated last year.”

DeSantis then spent the next few months promising a plan would come to fruition that would not leave Orange and Osceola taxpayers on the hook for hundreds of millions of dollars in government spending and debt incurred by the district.


This is a win for the Florida counties and taxpayers. Disney HAD an exemption that I'm quite sure they wish they had taken advantage of to the Inth Degree...and left a lot on the table. Use "Disney Land Holdings" in a G00gl3 search and you'll see they hold vast (and continue to grow as well!) thousands of acres...undeveloped. Now...they will have to go through the permitting process every other entity in the state does and be held accountable for inspections.

I don't understand how you and Robert believe this is a loss for everybody. This is a loss for Disney.

"“The corporate kingdom has come to an end. Under the proposed legislation, Disney will no longer control its own government, will live under the same laws as everyone else, will be responsible for their outstanding debts, and will pay their fair share of taxes. Imposing a state-controlled board will also ensure that Orange County cannot use this issue as a pretext to raise taxes on Orange County residents.” - Taryn Fenske, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis' communications director"

PLUS..no DNC to muddy up the waters and push their anti-family/green/woke/CRT agendas. This state legislative branch will stand beside and ensure that the governor will get what's best for it's taxpayers. Don't hate us cuz you ain't us.


Damn, he's going to make a great President some day.
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3 years ago



I don't understand how you and Robert believe this is a loss for everybody. This is a loss for Disney.

DrMaddVibe wrote:



It is a governmental taking from Disney without compensation.

It is a loss for the First Amendment.

It is a disruption and loss for everyone in Central Florida who benefits in any way from Disney's presence as an economic engine, including all of the other amusement parks and businesses.

It is the failure of the state to uphold its end of a contract.

It is the precedent for the loss of corporate/individual real property rights to the state against the U.S. Constitution without eminent domain.

Read the SCOTUS cases on this. Read the Florida Constitution and the Florida Statute on eminent domain that apply to this.

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Sunoverbeach
3 years ago
Celtic let you out to play!
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3 years ago
Can't believe it is constitutional for a governor to taking over and having the sole right to appoint the members of a board for private property without eminent domain. This is the taking of Disney's real estate ownership rights without compensation. Like a third world country going communist seizing personal property.
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DrMaddVibe
3 years ago
Bawhahahhaaaaaa!

Face it Robert...its EXACTLY like my last post.

This is Florida not California. Disney enjoyed an advantage none of their competitors had. Ever. It cost taxpayers revenue and God only knows if what they built was on the up and up because they sanctioned and approved the building of not just motels...water parks...rides...amusement parks and the entire infrastructure. They have simply walked away and left parks and lodging and left them abandoned.

The bill the former CEO railed against NEVER said don't say gay. They made it that way nationally. Its 3 pages of legislation that, to date, you still haven't read because you still oppose it.

They got tooled and are still losing money because they want to promote grooming children and you're opposed to it. What they're doing is obscene and an affront to human decency.
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RayR
3 years ago

Can't believe it is constitutional for a governor to taking over and having the sole right to appoint the members of a board for private property without eminent domain. This is the taking of Disney's real estate ownership rights without compensation. Like a third world country going communist seizing personal property.

rfenst wrote:



Was it constitutional for the state to give special privileges to Disney to begin with?

I know here in NYS, it is unconstitutional for the State to give gifts to corporations. Not that it ever stopped them from ignoring the state constitution.


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HockeyDad
3 years ago

Can't believe it is constitutional for a governor to taking over and having the sole right to appoint the members of a board for private property without eminent domain. This is the taking of Disney's real estate ownership rights without compensation. Like a third world country going communist seizing personal property.

rfenst wrote:



Reedy Creek Improvement District is a governmental agency. It is not private property.

Name one square foot of Disney property that was seized.
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ZRX1200
3 years ago
You guys are so getting blocked…
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Abrignac
3 years ago

Can't believe it is constitutional for a governor to taking over and having the sole right to appoint the members of a board for private property without eminent domain. This is the taking of Disney's real estate ownership rights without compensation. Like a third world country going communist seizing personal property.

rfenst wrote:



You’re joking right??? Florida seems to have decided that Disney needs to play by the same rules as everyone else. In other words, the Legislature righted a wrong. BTW, the communist comment is ridiculous.

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Abrignac
3 years ago

It is a governmental taking from Disney without compensation.

It is a loss for the First Amendment.

It is a disruption and loss for everyone in Central Florida who benefits in any way from Disney's presence as an economic engine, including all of the other amusement parks and businesses.

It is the failure of the state to uphold its end of a contract.

It is the precedent for the loss of corporate/individual real property rights to the state against the U.S. Constitution without eminent domain.

Read the SCOTUS cases on this. Read the Florida Constitution and the Florida Statute on eminent domain that apply to this.

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rfenst wrote:



Loss for the First Amendment? Really? IIRC not all speech is protected. Suppose someone yells fire in a crowded movie theater and in the stampede to get out a few people get trampled to death only to discover there wasn’t a fire or even any smoke. It was just someone being an azzhole because the wanted a better seat. I wonder how the free speech argument is going to work for them at trial?

In other words, when you enjoy special arrangements it behooves you to keep your mouth shut and stay under the radar lest you pizz off the wrong people and lose your special privileges.
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3 years ago

Loss for the First Amendment? Really? IIRC not all speech is protected. Suppose someone yells fire in a crowded movie theater and in the stampede to get out a few people get trampled to death only to discover there wasn’t a fire or even any smoke. It was just someone being an azzhole because the wanted a better seat. I wonder how the free speech argument is going to work for them at trial?

In other words, when you enjoy special arrangements it behooves you to keep your mouth shut and stay under the radar lest you pizz off the wrong people and lose your special privileges.

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Your First Amendment allusion is inapplicable because it references speech that created actual imminent harm leading to death. Who did Disney even imminently or otherwise harm by expressing its position on a social/political issue?

This state made a specific deal with Disney to lure it here and to encourage it to efficiently build, expand and grow it's business and the local economy. What gives the state the right to violate that agreement just because Disney publicly disagreed with the Governor?

Would it have been a better idea for Disney to have never said a thing? Sure, but that isn't what any of this is really about.

Like the thread title says, the Governor got butt-hurt and is whipping-up the entire matter for political theatre. Poor baby.
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DrMaddVibe
3 years ago

Your First Amendment allusion is inapplicable because it references speech that created actual imminent harm leading to death. Who did Disney even imminently or otherwise harm by expressing its position on a social/political issue?

This state made a specific deal with Disney to lure it here and to encourage it to efficiently build, expand and grow it's business and the local economy. What gives the state the right to violate that agreement just because Disney publicly disagreed with the Governor?

Would it have been a better idea for Disney to have never said a thing? Sure, but that isn't what any of this is really about.

Like the thread title says, the Governor got butt-hurt and is whipping-up the entire matter for political theatre. Poor baby.

rfenst wrote:




This thread...and this thread...

http://www.cigarbid.com/Forum/c/posts/667527/Disney-CEO-Bob-Chapek-

you're conveniently forgetting that the former (Thank God!) CEO of the company that bills itself as the happiest (not gayest!) place on Earth vowed to have legislation overturned. Legislation that would forbid the sexual grooming of children from K-3rd grade. Then there's the YouTubes (watch them because they matter!) where department heads are stating they will not only continue with the sexualized content aimed at children but will make it a staple on ALL of their channels and double down on the effort. Is reading that hard for you to do? Are you that entrenched with making children sexual objects that you can't remove yourself from the real harm this could do to them and society?



Disney Officially Loses Control Of Reedy Creek Development In Landslide Florida Senate Vote



Last year Disney waged political war with the state of Florida and Governor Ron DeSantis and has suffered an overwhelming defeat. The company has officially lost control of their Reedy Creek Development - First devised as an unprecedented agreement with Disney to allow it to act unilaterally in business development within the 25,000 acre park with limited government oversight. The decision to dissolve Reedy Creek's original management was finalized after a landslide senate vote this week to appoint a new governing board.

Disney has stated that it does not plan to fight the state ruling in court, probably because they know it is a losing battle. The new entity, dubbed the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District, will be operated by a five-member board appointed by DeSantis and confirmed by the state Senate. The move effectively gives DeSantis power over operations including collecting taxes.

Disney World is set to rely even more on its theme park revenues as its movies and streaming service continue to flounder.

The entertainment behemoth engaged in a fight with the Florida citizenry and DeSantis in early 2022 over Bill HB 1557 (The Parental Rights In Education Bill) which was signed into law last March. The law prevents Florida public schools from targeting young children and teaching gender identity ideology or sexualized propaganda; it also requires that teachers inform parents of their lesson plans and subject matter for Grades K-3.

Florida has been leading the pack in terms of states removing far-left rhetoric from classrooms, including trans propaganda and Critical Race Theory propaganda planted in school textbooks. The concepts, which have no basis in scientific or historic fact, have nonetheless become an epidemic in American education, with many teachers focusing almost solely on social justice ideals rather than basic academics. State opposition is late, but better late than never.

Disney, a major corporate element of Florida's economy, became a vocal opponent of HB 1557, calling it the "don't say gay bill" (it's more accurate to call it the "anti-grooming bill"). Disney sided with leftist activists and promised to use the company's extensive power to force a repeal of the law. CEO Bob Chapek swore fealty to the woke movement in a speech given during an employee conference at the onset of tensions with Florida. Chapek was recently fired and replaced by a returning Bob Iger.



The problem is that the law is supported by a majority in the Florida government as well as a majority of voters. Floridians voted overwhelmingly to keep DeSantis as governor and conservative candidates dominated in district elections last year.

Leftists argued that HB 1557 was "unconstitutional", but this suggests a considerable lack of understanding. Teachers as employees of the state do not have unfettered free speech rights in the classroom and are required to teach a specific curriculum. Ideological zealotry and sexual propaganda are not a part of that curriculum, and teachers can be punished with the loss of their jobs for ignoring those standards.

This was the norm in education for decades - Only in recent years has it been suggested that teachers paid with tax dollars are somehow immune to oversight. Leftist educators continue to insist that their rights are being violated and that they should be able to teach whatever they want, which apparently includes sharing the sexual details of their personal lives.

Leftists also argue that the actions against Reedy Creek violate Disney's free speech rights. However, they fail to recognize that Disney as a company is not entitled to special treatment from Florida's government. Reedy Creek was a special allowance, a favor to Disney that can just as easily be taken away.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/disney-loses-control-reedy-creek-development-landslide-florida-senate-vote 


It'll be a cold day in Hell when I grace any Disney park with my presence and my hard earned money. I DGAF how big they are as a corporation. It gives them no right to indoctrinate children to their perverse desires. NONE. If you are really this against what the governor and the state house has done to secure the safety and mental well being then California is where you really should be. That's where Disney calls home. Florida will only continue to become more and more vocal against ills like these. The times changed. Shame you cannot see the difference in what Disney continues to peddle and what we're commanded to do.

For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope. | Jeremiah 29:11
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3 years ago
More of the same cfrap:

Teacher fired after DeSantis says bookshelf video was ‘fake narrative’

A Florida teacher was fired this week after posting a video of empty bookshelves that Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) called “a fake narrative” at a time when teachers in the state are removing or covering books in public schools to comply with new state laws.

Brian Covey, a substitute teacher at Mandarin Middle School in Jacksonville, posted a video to Twitter last month showing rows of empty bookshelves at the school’s library. Covey is one of several teachers in Duval and Manatee counties who’ve posted photos or videos in recent weeks showing how school districts are responding to new Florida laws regarding books and materials available to children in classrooms and libraries. Duval County Public Schools, the district for Mandarin Middle School, urged educators last month to follow the new laws and “err on the side of caution” to determine whether a book “is developmentally appropriate for student use.”

“They removed every single book from my children’s classrooms …” he wrote on Jan. 27. “I read books about the consequences of this when I was in school ….”



https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/02/18/florida-teacher-empty-school-bookshelves-video-desantis/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F392b622%2F63f251231b79c61f879c4604%2F5fd7dce2ae7e8a2a74990f53%2F37%2F72%2F63f251231b79c61f879c4604&wp_cu=ee8362dd44c71c1069650be903ec90c5%7CB6745352E36A2650E0530100007FB7EF 
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HockeyDad
3 years ago
So the video was fake and the teacher got himself fired.

What an outrage!
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RayR
3 years ago
Oh No! They removed all the copies of “Gender Queer" from the bookshelves,”? What will the poor chillens do without that grooming material? 🤨 Will they only be able to read traditional educational reading material for children that actually educates them and not books that try to indoctrinate them with cultish ideologies and contrived historical narratives from the Church of Wokeness? Oh, The humanity!

Is WAPO trying to perpetuate Brian Covey's hoax that he filmed and posted of random empty bookshelves?
DeSantis was right when he said, “What they’re trying to do is they’re trying to act like somehow we don’t want books.”
It's like DeSantis is channeling the spirit of Bastiat.

“Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.”
― Frederic Bastiat, The Law
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3 years ago

So the video was fake and the teacher got himself fired.

What an outrage!

HockeyDad wrote:


Wrong.

It was a true and accurate photo of shelves that had been emptied by the school library where he worked. He had also just advocated strongly in opposition to the state banning school books about Roberto Clemente and Hank Aaron.

That is why the state made sure he was fired quickly- for using his cellphone to take the pic. Give me a break.

What should be done is that pornographic books should be banned (there probably aren't any). Other books on the banned list should still be available, but with parental authorization.
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RayR
3 years ago
No...HD is right, the video is a fake out. Deceiver...eeee by a conniving trickster.
A "true and accurate photo of shelves", but only empty ones in a library full of shelves with books on them.
Why were those shelves empty? Were they cleaning and reorganizing or something after reviewing what books passed or failed the new state requirements?

"The viral video you are sharing shows less than half the story. Yes, those shelves were empty. But they were in a room full of books. See the video below for the full story."

https://twitter.com/DuvalSchools/status/1626693916165656582 

An explanation by those in the school district close to the matter is in order...

Facts about library books in Duval County Public Schools

Tracy Pierce and Laureen Ricks / February 17, 2023 / District

Feb. 17, 2023 – Books about Roberto Clemente and Hank Aaron from the Essential Voices collection are among approximately 6,000 books that have been reviewed and approved currently through the new state-required book review process.

This review process and the status of library books were the subject of conversation and misinformation that appeared in media and social media over the last few weeks.

More...

https://www.teamduval.org/2023/02/17/facts-about-library-books-in-duval-county-public-schools/ 

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HockeyDad
3 years ago

Wrong.

It was a true and accurate photo of shelves that had been emptied by the school library where he worked. He had also just advocated strongly in opposition to the state banning school books about Roberto Clemente and Hank Aaron.

That is why the state made sure he was fired quickly- for using his cellphone to take the pic. Give me a break.

What should be done is that pornographic books should be banned (there probably aren't any). Other books on the banned list should still be available, but with parental authorization.

rfenst wrote:




Nope, it was a fake. At some point you have to ask yourself why we are in such a hurry to teach second graders about trans sexuality.
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DrMaddVibe
3 years ago
And the once mighty Mouse House is offended how now???
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MACS
3 years ago
I live in Duval County... but I have not been following the story, so I think the CBid rule of proximity does not apply here.

In any case... looks like the "teacher" was trying to sell a false narrative. That should get you fired.
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