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3 years ago

Nope, it was a fake. At some point you have to ask yourself why we are in such a hurry to teach second graders about trans sexuality.

HockeyDad wrote:


You are playing "Captain Obvious" asserting that 2nd graders shouldn't be taught about trisexuality in the classroom, just like Playboy and Hustler don't belong in a public school library. But, I'll still award you points for the effort.

The photo of the shelves is accurate. They were emptied in fear of violating the state's chilling new law.

This is a freedom of speech issue- at the very least.

It's akin to book burning- at its worst.
HockeyDad
3 years ago

You are playing "Captain Obvious" asserting that 2nd graders shouldn't be taught about trisexuality in the classroom, just like Playboy and Hustler don't belong in a public school library. But, I'll still award you points for the effort.

The photo of the shelves is accurate. They were emptied in fear of violating the state's chilling new law.

This is a freedom of speech issue- at the very least.

It's akin to book burning- at its worst.

rfenst wrote:



Captain Obvious? Don’t you recall what this entire thread is about? Don’t say gay.

If it’s a freedom of speech issue or akin to book burning then Playboy and Hustler do belong in the school library. Straddling the fence post doesn’t really work.


“In discussion between the district and ESS regarding this individual’s misrepresentation of the books available to students in the school’s library and the disruption this misrepresentation has caused, it was determined that he had violated social media and cell phone policies of his employer. Therefore, ESS determined these policy violations made it necessary to part ways with this individual,”

RayR
3 years ago

You are playing "Captain Obvious" asserting that 2nd graders shouldn't be taught about trisexuality in the classroom, just like Playboy and Hustler don't belong in a public school library. But, I'll still award you points for the effort.

The photo of the shelves is accurate. They were emptied in fear of violating the state's chilling new law.

This is a freedom of speech issue- at the very least.

It's akin to book burning- at its worst.

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A bit hyperbolic, ain't ya Robert? "the state's chilling new law", "It's akin to book burning- at its worst"

BOOK NAZIS! 😂

You've even surmised that the shelves were emptied out of fear? Must have been a whole lot of suspected WOKE PORNO BOOKS on those shelves. :-s

No concern that parents weren't even told that the libraries were being stocked with WOKE INDOCTRINATION material? Shouldn't they know why and what nefarious characters are trying to contort the minds of their children on their dime?
And you call this a "freedom of speech issue"?


87% of Books Removed From Florida Schools Were Pornographic, Violent, Inappropriate, Data Shows

Mary Margaret Olohan / @MaryMargOlohan / February 15, 2023

Editor’s note: Some of the images in this article are graphic.

An overwhelming majority of books removed from Florida schools since the beginning of the academic year in September 2022 were pornographic, violent, or inappropriate for students’ grade levels, according to school district data submitted to the state’s Department of Education.

Twenty-three out of 56 school districts reported that they had removed a total of 175 books, while 33 districts (59%) said that they had not removed any books this academic year, according to data reviewed by The Daily Signal.

The data reveals that 164 of the 175 removed books were taken out of school media centers, rather than classrooms, and 153 of the books that were removed (87%) were taken out because the district discovered that the book was “pornographic, violent or inappropriate for the grade level for some other reason.”

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https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/02/15/87-books-removed-florida-schools-pornographic-violent-inappropriate-data-shows/ 




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3 years ago

Captain Obvious? Don’t you recall what this entire thread is about? Don’t say gay.

If it’s a freedom of speech issue or akin to book burning then Playboy and Hustler do belong in the school library. Straddling the fence post doesn’t really work.


“In discussion between the district and ESS regarding this individual’s misrepresentation of the books available to students in the school’s library and the disruption this misrepresentation has caused, it was determined that he had violated social media and cell phone policies of his employer. Therefore, ESS determined these policy violations made it necessary to part ways with this individual,”

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Stradling the fence on that one? No. Playboy and Hustler, although legal, are pornography in thee eyes of a K-12 student, plain and simple, and should never be made available to student through schools or with public money. I am sure you agree with that.

He probably did use his cell phone and that was probably against the rules. I am not complaining about him being fired if that is how it (most likely) went down. But, do you really think if he had posted the picture with the caption: "Thank God those DANGEROUS books were finally removed from the middle school library thanks to Gov. Desantis and the state legislature!" that he would have been fired?

I bet not. And, that would lead one to the conclusion that the cellphone photo was not the real issue in the matter. It was the content of his speech and crossing paths with a power-grabbing governor's public persona. Plain and simple.

When people cannot speak their minds and express their thoughts (not talking about state employees on the job), or when kids can't learn new things from reading books their parents approve of that cannot harm anyone, we have a serious problem that will easily ruin our culture and American society in short time.

Take a look at the lists of newly removed and banned books. WAY too many for my liking.
RayR
3 years ago
Is this one of those "book burning" lists you speak of?
I can't say there is anything there that has been on my radar, that could be construed as must-read educational material.

Here’s a list of books banned, under review in Central Florida schools

Samantha Dunne, Digital Journalist
Published: February 7, 2023 at 4:30 PM
Updated: February 15, 2023 at 12:24 PM

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2023/02/07/heres-a-list-of-books-banned-under-review-in-central-florida-schools/ 

HockeyDad
3 years ago

Stradling the fence on that one? No. Playboy and Hustler, although legal, are pornography in thee eyes of a K-12 student, plain and simple, and should never be made available to student through schools or with public money. I am sure you agree with that.

He probably did use his cell phone and that was probably against the rules. I am not complaining about him being fired if that is how it (most likely) went down. But, do you really think if he had posted the picture with the caption: "Thank God those DANGEROUS books were finally removed from the middle school library thanks to Gov. Desantis and the state legislature!" that he would have been fired?

I bet not. And, that would lead one to the conclusion that the cellphone photo was not the real issue in the matter. It was the content of his speech and crossing paths with a power-grabbing governor's public persona. Plain and simple.

When people cannot speak their minds and express their thoughts (not talking about state employees on the job), or when kids can't learn new things from reading books their parents approve of that cannot harm anyone, we have a serious problem that will easily ruin our culture and American society in short time.

Take a look at the lists of newly removed and banned books. WAY too many for my liking.

rfenst wrote:




I’m glad to see you calming down from that “hair on fire” cliff you were in with that freedom of speech issue and book burning panic.

Now you ok with the firing based on the school board statement and you’re ok with banning some books but it was just way too much.

People can speak their minds and express their thoughts. We have already established that the DNC, government agencies, and big tech social media will verify and validate those thoughts.

You’re worried that kids can't learn new things from reading books their parents approve of that cannot harm anyone but can you ever recall approving books? The school knows what is best for our children and are better at parenting than we are. Parents are not asked to approve books.

Our culture is fine. We encourage parents to fly their children to California where they can get mastectomies, hysterectomies, or have their wieners removed….all before puberty!
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3 years ago

I’m glad to see you calming down from that “hair on fire” cliff you were in with that freedom of speech issue and book burning panic.

Now you ok with the firing based on the school board statement and you’re ok with banning some books but it was just way too much.

People can speak their minds and express their thoughts. We have already established that the DNC, government agencies, and big tech social media will verify and validate those thoughts.

You’re worried that kids can't learn new things from reading books their parents approve of that cannot harm anyone but can you ever recall approving books? The school knows what is best for our children and are better at parenting than we are. Parents are not asked to approve books.

Our culture is fine. We encourage parents to fly their children to California where they can get mastectomies, hysterectomies, or have their wieners removed….all before puberty!

HockeyDad wrote:


I have no problem with anyone (especially any government entity) firing a low level employee for so publicly speaking their mind to the contrary on an issue- that isn't causing imminent serious harm or damage.

My mom, who was PTA president, says there were not politicized groups of parents submitting drooled-on lists of books calling for bans. Occasionally, she says, there would be a complaint and then that book would then require parental permission for all students ahead of time. In fact, I remember having to get my parents to sign-off on some books, one of which was "Where the Wild Things Are", before I could get it. I am sure the books in my k-6 library had to pass professionals' muster as well as that of the librarian at our school. And, the governor and legislature were not involved. The county school board made that local decision for our county school system.

This whole book banning/changing has gotten way out of hand and needs to be reeled in on both sides. I just think the conservative groups are going WAY too far and are rejecting some true realities.


RayR
3 years ago
I don't think those risqué titles of your childhood like "Where the Wild Things Are" compares with the LGBQ+XYZ*2 grooming instruction manuals like:

“It’s Perfectly Normal.”
"Let's Talk About It"
“This Book is Gay”

https://twitter.com/JeremyRedfernFL/status/1625597286129491968? 
DrMaddVibe
3 years ago
DeSantis Signs Bill Killing Disney World's "Corporate Kingdom"



Florida Governor Ron DeSantis on Monday signed a bill that takes control of a special tax district surrounding Walt Disney World that, as Reuters reports, for half a century allowed Walt Disney Co. to operate with an almost unprecedentedly high degree of autonomy.

The legislation, titled HB 9-B, ends Disney’s self-governing status, establishes a new state-controlled district and imposes a five-member state control board, which is appointed by the governor.


The board will also be confirmed by the state Senate.

“Today is the day the corporate kingdom finally comes to an end,” DeSantis said.

https://tinyurl.com/dztpz2vf

The Republican governor said during the announcement this morning that:

"Allowing a corporation to control its own government is bad policy, especially when the corporation makes decisions that impact an entire region."

The law also ends Disney's exemption from state regulatory reviews and codes and it ensures "that Disney will pay its fair share of taxes," DeSantis' office said.

DeSantis' actions come after Disney's advocacy against Florida's Parental Rights in Education bill (the so-called "Don't say gay bill").

As The Epoch Times' Dan Berger reports, DeSantis and other speakers who joined him at the podium reviewed a wide range of issues tied into the tussle with the big entertainment company.

Nick Catarano, a long-time and second-generation Disney employee—his uncle went to work there when the park opened in the 1970s—outlined the company’s firing and harassment of employees like himself who didn’t want to get COVID shots or wear masks. He also spoke of his dismay at the shift in Disney’s once-family-friendly content, one that made him proud, to one many families object to.

“Disney has since doubled down and embraced all things woke increasingly making things like sex, gender, race and worse things the core mission of its storytelling. You know, we’ve gone from ‘Cinderella’ and ‘Snow White’ and ‘Pocahontas’ and all these great stories with morals and great characters, and have brought us stuff like ‘Little Demon’ who was the spawn, the child of Satan, as the lead character.”

“We have recently seen the cartoon ‘Proud Family’ on Disney Plus. And that really doesn’t tell the whole truth of what happened in our country. They tried to build a narrative that everything in this country is built on the back of slaves and reparations. And what they’re doing is they’re taking vulnerable children, and they’re indoctrinating them into becoming activists and hating each other.”

Disney has said it won’t resist the new arrangement and will now work with the state, Disney World CEO Jeff Vahle said in a statement.


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3 years ago
What other privately owned business that owns its own land for operations and development is subject to the state appointing the members of it's property ownership board? So much for fee simple absolute land ownership and imminent domain- without due process or constitutional compensation.
RayR
3 years ago
I think Judge Nap explained it best 10 months ago.

The Problems With Disney and Florida

By Andrew P. Napolitano
April 28, 2022

The core of the problems with Disney and Florida is the American addiction to corporatism. This is the use of government power for the benefit of the government’s patrons. Stated differently, it is a symbiotic relationship between the government and a private business that gives government officials corporate largesse and the private business a near monopoly. It is capturing the power of the state to increase private wealth at the expense of others.

Corporatism is immoral because it bribes the state to give government power to a patron. It is economically counterproductive because it stifles competition. It is unconstitutional because it violates equal protection and, in the Florida dispute with Disney, free speech.

In the 1960s, when Walt Disney came upon 25,000 acres of land outside Orlando, Florida, for his theme park, he crafted a deal with the state that gave his company extraordinary control over the land in return for building the park. For Florida, it was a win in terms of tourism dollars and employment opportunities. For Disney, it was a win in terms of relief from local regulatory constraints and certain state and local taxes.

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https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/04/andrew-p-napolitano/the-problems-with-disney-and-florida/ 

HockeyDad
3 years ago

What other privately owned business that owns its own land for operations and development is subject to the state appointing the members of it's property ownership board? So much for fee simple absolute land ownership and imminent domain- without due process or constitutional compensation.

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None.

It is not a property ownership board. You act like Florida seized an HOA. You either honestly do not understand what RCID is or you’re being dishonest.

Reedy Creek Improvement District is a government and a former client of mine.
DrMaddVibe
3 years ago

None.

It is not a property ownership board. You act like Florida seized an HOA. You either honestly do not understand what RCID is or you’re being dishonest.

Reedy Creek Improvement District is a government and a former client of mine.

HockeyDad wrote:




He's pissy because he drank the NYT Kool-Aid and they were DEAD WRONG.

He STILL stands up for Disney grooming K-3rd graders too.

Let him cry all he wants, doesn't mean a damned thing.
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3 years ago
Vengeful Ron transforms the happiest place on earth

South Florida Sun Sentinel

Hopefully, Florida’s super decider of moral rightness will finally put a stop to deviant old Donald traipsing about with no pants.

No, not that deviant old Donald, though the gov intends to get rid of him too. It’s the other Donald and all his pervy Disney cohorts who have piqued the governor’s ire.

For 89 years, Donald Duck has been depicted naked below the waist. In all that time, no politician has had the courage to challenge the debauched Mickey Mouse industrial complex.

But, as Ron DeSantis warned the Walt Disney Company on Monday, “There’s a new sheriff in town.”

Think “High Noon,” “Rio Bravo.” Better yet, “Blazing Saddles.” When our badass sheriff moseys down Main Street U.S.A., Floridians can be confident that Sleeping Beauty will never be woke. Liberals won’t be telling Cruella De Vil she can’t wear fur. No one’s gonna warn Buzz Lightyear he can’t pack heat without a license.

The new sheriff won’t let the EPA classify the Little Mermaid as an endangered species. Superheroes won’t be running around the amusement park in girlie tights. Sheriff Ron’s gonna keep Captain Hook out of handicapped parking. He’ll relegate “Black Panther” to the back of the monorail.

DeSantis traveled to Lake Buena Vista Monday, the very belly of the beast, to sign legislation that punishes Disney for criticizing his signature “don’t say gay” law.

The how-dare-you-question-me statute authorized the governor to seize control of the Reedy Creek Improvement District, which the Legislature created back in 1967 to allow Disney to self-govern 40 square miles southwest of Orlando.

All five members of the Reedy Creek board had been appointed by the Disney Company. It was always an extraordinary deal, but the Legislature happily tolerated the special arrangement until last year, when Disney dared to trash “don’t say gay.”

DeSantis, always eager for a tussle, shifted into outrage mode. Republican legislators were forced to choose between the state’s most important corporate entity or a cultural warrior known for his ear-biting, eye-gouging, groin-kicking, Fox News-pleasing politics.

Easy choice in Florida. The lawmakers went after Disney, passing legislation that replaced the Reedy Creek board with the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District, a misleading name given that its sole agenda is to remind Disney that Sheriff Ron is itching for a showdown (preferably before the 2024 presidential primaries).

DeSantis chose five rightwing toadies for his wild ride, including the chairman of a Christian nationalist ministry and a founder of the book-banning Moms for Liberty. It’s the kind of oversight board that could reduce Snow White to a cowering snowflake and suggest that there’s something unseemly about her non-traditional relationship with seven, diminutive housemates.

Despite the anti-Disney bombast voiced at Lake Buena Vista, the new arrangement is not quite as drastic as it might have been. After an ill-conceived attempt by the Legislature last year to bomb Reedy Creek out of existence (metaphorically), the 2023 revision allows Disney to retain its special tax status. The company continues to fund its own government services and, unless the board decides to meddle, develop new projects without the local city or county government approval required of other businesses.

But Monday’s bill-signing ceremony came with a threatening subtext: If Disney entertainment or corporate policies succumb to “woke ideology,” the governor’s board will turn the happiest place on earth into a misnomer.

It sounded like a warning when DeSantis said, “All of these board members very much would like to see the type of entertainment that all families can appreciate.” Don’t confuse “all families” with all kinds of families.

DeSantis and his Fox News cheerleaders were already irked with Disney for mandating masks and vaccines during the pandemic. But criticism of “don’t say gay” was tantamount to blasphemy.

DeSantis fired out a mass fundraising email declaring that “Woke Disney” had “lost any moral authority to tell you what to do.”

Fox’s Laura Ingraham said Disney should change Splash Mountain to Sex Mountain.

There’s an easy way for Disney to appease DeSantis and his lackies on the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District. The company could simply purchase, for a hefty sum, movie rights to DeSantis’ new book, “The Courage to be Free.”

(The studio adaptation might need to liven up a tome the New York Times said, “Reads like a politician’s memoir churned out by ChatGPT,” and the Guardian called “a mirthless read.”)

Disney already has the perfect leading man on hand, a longtime star in need of a meaty part. (What could be meatier than playing the governor Donald Trump has dubbed “Meatball Ron”?)

Of course, the DeSantis oversight board won’t approve a movie deal unless Donald wears pants.





If you thin I approve of grooming of k-3 graders, you are stupid. This is a property right/corporate control issue now. You need to get that...
RayR
3 years ago

🅱[size=8]If you thin I approve of grooming of k-3 graders, you are stupid. This is a property right/corporate control issue now. You need to get that...

rfenst wrote:



How about grooming 4-7 graders? Are you into that?
Would that make it the "Happiest Place on Earth"?
If grooming is a mainstay of their desired business model, they would deserve to fail in free market conditions because I don't think they would be serving the desires of their customers which would be family entertainment in this case. That's a capitalist thing, providing stuff the consumer wants at a price they can afford.
I don't think paying for iideological indoctrination into this or that sexual perversion fits the bill for what most people want from a family theme park.

But free-market capitalism is not what many corporations seem to want, it's a story that's old as the hills. Like the kingdoms of old where the King or Queen handed out special favors to their faithful vassals, today they want that modern version, the corporatist model, that "extraordinary deal" that gives them an advantage over the schmucks that won't get any kind of special privileges because they aren't that useful to the political regime in power or are not willing to play ball with depraved pols who want some level of control over them. With any luck these corporatists will even get the feckeless taxpayers to subsidize their business model with CASH.

Really, these hyperbolic op-eds by LEFTY crazy people are fun to read if only to remind me how unhinged LEFTIES truly are.
DrMaddVibe
3 years ago

If you thin I approve of grooming of k-3 graders, you are stupid. This is a property right/corporate control issue now. You need to get that...

rfenst wrote:




Well, you carrying water as you have on this and other threads for a California HQ company that clearly stated they were going to double down on their grooming and meddle in Florida politics isn't proof of whatever you oppose...I don't know what is.

Disney has stated they're not fighting the state's decision but here you are...once again trying to deflect their corporate intentions on this state and its citizens.

What you need to get is that you're on the wrong side of a wrong issue peddling DNC talking points...AGAIN.
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They haven't sued for now as they probably have 4-5 years to do so. Just wait until the new "Board" interferes with a land sale, lease or attempt to pledge the land as security for an operating or expansion loan.

So, for now Disney will play the corporate game of restarting their huge donations to Desantis and members of the legislature who currently oppose them as well as PACs. Politicians' minds will change when the impact of this becomes apparent and damage to Disney is done.

Then later on, Disney will eventually get control of their land back, even if a new state-government county is created or it is split between the two counties it occupies.

Government control of private property, zoning and building codes and the like excepted, is not the American version of capitalism I beliive in. It is the government control of operations/means of production.

And, you need to take a good look at the "qualifications" those being appointed to the "Board of Directors" of the land. It is a capitalistic joke.

If there was to be any fairness(?)/equality in this, then the state needs to take over Universal's, Sea World's, Busch Garden's and other entertainment parks' land.
RayR
3 years ago
There is no definable American version of capitalism, certainly not for the mess that exists now. There is only one true capitalist system—free market capitalism based first on private property and private control.
Second, a real capitalist system is a true democracy based on peaceful voluntary exchange, not a duhmacracy as with the degenerate political world as it is which is based on compulsion and plunder. Tom Woods explains the principle of a free market economy short and sweet in this 1 min. clip .https://youtu.be/2BHeyXNiOjg

As Von Mises put it, "The capitalist system of production is an economic democracy in which every penny gives a right to vote. The consumers are the sovereign people. The capitalists, the entrepreneurs, and the farmers are the people’s mandatories. If they do not obey, if they fail to produce, at the lowest possible cost, what the consumers are asking for, they lose their office. Their task is service to the consumer. Profit and loss are the instruments by means of which the consumers keep a tight rein on all business activities."

Any corruption of free market capitalism through government intervention (of which there is much today) is not capitalism at all, no matter what idjuts say.
Some Americans might say they believe in capitalism, but then they might truly be an advocate for fascism (corporatism), or the parent from which it sprang, socialism.






HockeyDad
3 years ago

They haven't sued for now as they probably have 4-5 years to do so. Just wait until the new "Board" interferes with a land sale, lease or attempt to pledge the land as security for an operating or expansion loan.

So, for now Disney will play the corporate game of restarting their huge donations to Desantis and members of the legislature who currently oppose them as well as PACs. Politicians' minds will change when the impact of this becomes apparent and damage to Disney is done.

Then later on, Disney will eventually get control of their land back, even if a new state-government county is created or it is split between the two counties it occupies.

Government control of private property, zoning and building codes and the like excepted, is not the American version of capitalism I beliive in. It is the government control of operations/means of production.

And, you need to take a good look at the "qualifications" those being appointed to the "Board of Directors" of the land. It is a capitalistic joke.

If there was to be any fairness(?)/equality in this, then the state needs to take over Universal's, Sea World's, Busch Garden's and other entertainment parks' land.

rfenst wrote:




You really don’t understand what Reedy Creek Improvement District is!

Means of production…jeeez.

I heard DeSantis just ordered Magic Kingdom ticket prices be cut by 50%, he ordered the complete razing of EPCOT, and he’s making Snow White turn tricks on Orange Blossom Trail!

drglnc
3 years ago
But, Is the Tap Water safe to drink?
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