Gene363
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Sunday, August 28, 2022 2:44:55 PM
Body Language & Criminal Interrogations

I've always been fascinated by the idea of body language. So many times you know someone is not telling the trugh and you just know it, but cannot say why you know. I've read a few books about body language, but they were very generaland not really helpful. Recently I found Joe Navarro's book, "What Every Body is Saying: An Ex-FBI Agent's Guide to Speed-Reading People", it is detailed, easy to follow and very useful.

At the same timewatching crime show interrogations are also fascinating. The techniques investigators use to get confessions are sometimes so amazing, but so succesful. No beatings or phyiscal torture is involved either.

This is a narrated interview with a Canadian serial killer/rapiest that is really good:

The Interrogation of Stephanie Lazarus

In 1986, LAPD cop, Stephanie Lazarus, shot her love rival to death. She got away with it for 25 years. But in 2009, new DNA testing from her own police department linked her to the murder. And the very moment she finds all this out was caught on video.

bgz
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Sunday, August 28, 2022 3:36:23 PM
Why she shoot him?
rfenst
Sunday, August 28, 2022 4:30:48 PM
When I was practicing law, I read a book on human factors and getting truthful testimony from liars that was like what Gene describes.
MACS
Sunday, August 28, 2022 5:02:19 PM
That first one was fascinating. That detective was really good.
Mr. Jones
Sunday, August 28, 2022 7:06:36 PM
My ex-wife "learned herself" into handwriting examination from an internationally known expert who wrote dozens of books and periodical stories ...she was an FBI consultant on several occasions ( the teacher, not the EX) ...

Then she did some jobs with her knowledge and a few fun party event like things....

She made some decent money from chick parties but I think she didn't persue it much further...

I don't converse with her much anymore...so I don't know...

I'm guessing "body language" is semi related in certain aspects but relies much more on video and sound than the hand written word as does "hand writing analysis" is concrete on paper analysis does...

frankj1
Sunday, August 28, 2022 9:38:10 PM
CelticBomber recommended a book a few years ago by Malcolm what'shisname...absolutely bows up all the "I could just tell" feelings people get.

Let me think a bit and get back to youse.

frankj1
Sunday, August 28, 2022 9:42:05 PM
Malcolm Gladwell~ Talking to Strangers

I think that's the one.

Sunoverbeach
Sunday, August 28, 2022 9:45:41 PM
I wonder how many years go by before you stop looking over your shoulder and think you actually got away with murder
frankj1
Sunday, August 28, 2022 10:02:33 PM
19, so far.
Gene363
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Sunday, August 28, 2022 10:13:32 PM

19, so far.

frankj1 wrote:

So, uhm 19 years or 19 victims? 😰

frankj1
Sunday, August 28, 2022 10:14:31 PM
I'll just plead the 5th for now...

but very good question.

Sunoverbeach
Sunday, August 28, 2022 10:22:22 PM
19 years since the act, or since you started thinking you got away with it?
frankj1
Sunday, August 28, 2022 10:24:22 PM
um, yes.
Sunoverbeach
Sunday, August 28, 2022 10:34:06 PM
I'd a gone with the 5th again personally. But curiosity sated, so thanks!
Gene363
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Sunday, August 28, 2022 10:47:35 PM

I'd a gone with the 5th again personally. But curiosity sated, so thanks!

Sunoverbeach wrote:

You're supposed to tell him that before he answers.

frankj1
Sunday, August 28, 2022 10:55:34 PM
free on a technicality!!!

can't do that in Russia.

God, I love this country!

Anyway, I do love the topic of the op...

Sunoverbeach
Sunday, August 28, 2022 10:58:09 PM

You're supposed to tell him that before he answers.

Gene363 wrote:

I would've, but I was still curious at the time

Gene363
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Monday, August 29, 2022 12:06:21 PM

Malcolm Gladwell~ Talking to Strangers

I think that's the one.

frankj1 wrote:

Ordered, thanks for the suggestion.

CelticBomber
Monday, August 29, 2022 2:56:05 PM

Ordered, thanks for the suggestion.

Gene363 wrote:

It's an amazing book. It tackles exactly what your original post mentions and turns everything on it's head with hard data and study after study. You'd think 30 years of being an interrogator would make you and expert in spotting lies. Turns out, not so much. He's been one of my favorite authors ever since I discovered him.

delta1
Monday, August 29, 2022 6:22:11 PM

Malcolm Gladwell~ Talking to Strangers

I think that's the one.

frankj1 wrote:

yeah, the average person has a default mechanism to truth that makes us want to trust others...otherwise a civil society is impossible...he uses an example of a person who is suspicious of everyone and is the loner who everybody avoids...I'm guessing that the FBI agent who distrusts and speed reads people may be that guy...

the CIA had a female double agent who was feeding Castro all the goods for decades, and none of her co-workers or bosses ever suspected...

Gladwell says law enforcement and police officers did no better than the average person in detecting truthfulness...