Yep.

I got nothing against electric vehicles. Hell, I just bought an electric bicycle.

But nobody made me do it. Nobody threatened to not allow me to buy a gas vehicle (see CA). And my OWN money was used to buy it. It was not subsidized with my tax dollars.

And more importantly, no douche-rocket was trying to virtue-signal me into buying one.

MACS wrote:

You really don’t understand the animosity towards a GOVERNMENT MANDATE?

Capitalism is not driving this. Government, the religion of climate change, and corporate environmental, social & governance scores are driving this.

Perhaps a better safer potential product….
Employment….
Health….
Wealth….around the world! Lovely ideas. Could happen. There will be wealth created and surely spread amongst the masses! Well at least the costs will be spread amongst the masses!


I’m in the green energy industry. Everyone buy an electric vehicle. I recognized a long time ago to not stand in the way of government fueled juggernaut!

HockeyDad wrote:

So you see this as a political issue.

I see it with engineering eyes. And no - I did not buy an EV to save the planet.
In fact, it was not even a real consideration.




Love the thread though - so many people fighting windmills...

Brewha wrote:

animosity toward a mandate? easily understood.

But maybe some here who love to believe conspiracy theories will like what I've been figuring for years now...even before it became apparent when the trash industry segued so smoothly into the recycling commandments that prompted many in the public to whine. it was getting tougher to find ways to get rid of refuse, so along came recycling a whole bunch of the chit. Jobs were created, social and health benefits ensued, and more wealth for the wealthy too...fast forward a few decades and a new "solution" will be coming to cities and towns near you soon cuz nothing lasts forever.
And the major players are still the major players.

Anyway, if people are gonna claim that our elected officials are in the pockets of Big Business, then doesn't it make sense that Big Business must want the mandates?
Who is better positioned to dominate the next generation of fuels and transportation than those already dominating them? They've know for decades the drilling and burning couldn't last forever, they ain't stoopid.

frankj1 wrote:

You really don’t understand the animosity towards a GOVERNMENT MANDATE?

Capitalism is not driving this. Government, the religion of climate change, and corporate environmental, social & governance scores are driving this.

Perhaps a better safer potential product….
Employment….
Health….
Wealth….around the world! Lovely ideas. Could happen. There will be wealth created and surely spread amongst the masses! Well at least the costs will be spread amongst the masses!


I’m in the green energy industry. Everyone buy an electric vehicle. I recognized a long time ago to not stand in the way of government fueled juggernaut!

HockeyDad wrote:

It absolutely is political. It is being driven by government policy, not technology advancements. That’s why it needs government mandates and massive subsidies.

When the government fills the trough with cash, sometimes you just gotta grab a fork.

HockeyDad wrote:

Mandates suck.

Cheno wrote:

Oh No!

The big bad govmuts of the world are making you transition to cleaner technologies - that are all fake, will never work and just a money grab. First they made you wear seatbelt, then no more CFC's, then LED bulbs - OMFG! Time to storm the Capital. What a bunch of whiners.

Well grab a broom and hold back the ocean tide if you like.

Brewha wrote:

You wreak of a Prius owner.

HockeyDad wrote:

Hahahahahahahaha!


But seriously, if MACS is getting on board with EVs, I think we should all consider it.

Stogie1020 wrote:

Recycling. Government created, mandated, and subsidized. Anyone can segue into a subsidy! Jobs were created, social and health ensued, and everyone’s costs went up.

If the government mandated that every single family home must have a tree house in the backyard, the treehouse building and maintenance industry will go wild, jobs will be created and social and health benefits will ensue.

Centralized planned economy by the government for the greater good as deemed by the government.

HockeyDad wrote:

https://youtu.be/z2HneqfZGsM

ZRX1200 wrote:

Brewha... if he bothers to watch the video... will ignore it and say but, but... YouTube.

MACS wrote:

you're missing the connecting piece. who really wanted the government to mandate recycling and was in position to get the electorate to do exactly that?

I'm betting it wasn't the hippie girls with leg hair.

Better chance it was Tony Soprano, or maybe Waste Management, Republic, etc.

I thought we always follow the money here. Senators don't care what you breathe.

frankj1 wrote:

One must make a fair comparison.

Better does not mean perfect.

Brewha wrote: