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Brewha
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3 years ago

#101

75 bucks yesterday.

DrMaddVibe wrote:

My guess is that a Ford Lighting would be like $19 for a fill up at home.
Truck are not as efficient as sedans.

Brewha
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3 years ago

#102

As to the future, most manufacturers are looking at moving to LFP batteries over NMC. Particularly where the added weight isn’t not a concern, like power walls, delivery trucks and non performance cars.

This could be the “million mile battery” as LFPs have a very long service life.

And LFP’s (Lithium Iron Phosphate) address the legitimate concern of mining and using Cobalt. Like NMC’s (Nickel Magnesium Cobalt) batteries do.

BuckyB93
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3 years ago

#103

I'm not against EV vehicles, I'm against the mandate for them when we don't have a clear path for a solution.

This is what I see for the EV dream and the green movement. Admittedly, I'm an outsider on the technology development for batteries (the heart and soul for most green energy solutions) but we don't have the ability to completely transform into the dream that we are being fed. It's a nice dream but physics and chemistry kind of get in the way of the dream.

It reminds me of working with some areas of superconductors in one life and some areas of military armor in another life . Company established goals that were not based on reality. We'd do weekly tech updates on the various R&D projects that we were working on. When I worked at theses places we had the luxury of a lot of money to spend (internal R&D money, SBIR's, collaborations with other companies and national labs). I've worked of the smartest people I've ever had the pleasure to work with. We would try to, cautiously, explain that the laws of physics and chemistry didn't add up to what they wanted. You can throw as much money as you want but it cannot change physics. Management didn't what to hear it. I remember being in a big meeting with big wigs giving a presentation of results, what we were going to do going forward, and a planned development schedule. The CEO had a temper tantrum because he didn't like to hear reality (laws of physics won't allow for what you signed us up for).

As I see it, here's the plan that the powers that be have for us: mandate the elimination of burning fossil fuels. Mandate the construction of solar farms and wind turbines (not a reliable source of energy). Mandate we all must go electric (even though that is next to impossible)... Then a miracle happens and we all rejoice

It's a project plan destined to fail

BuckyB93
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3 years ago

#104

I'm not anti "green" energy (although the green energy term is a misnomer).

When we bought my son his first car this past Sept I narrowed it down to 2 in the price range for a first teen car: A full ICE Ford Fusion or a hybrid Ford Fusion. I was partial to the hybrid but it was twice the price. Considering that he's a teen he will likely get into an accident within a year or two (statistics say that teens are highest risk drivers and a liability for insurance purposes) we went with the cheaper ICE over the hybrid which has similar crash and reliability ratings. If he gets a couple years out of it without a crash, I'll take it as a win. Then he can hand it down to my daughter when she gets her license.

If I was buying it for myself and looking for a used commuter car I would have gone with the hybrid.

Edited by user 3 years ago | Reason: Not specified

DrMaddVibe
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3 years ago

#105

My guess is that a Ford Lighting would be like $19 for a fill up at home.
Truck are not as efficient as sedans.

Brewha wrote:

Lol...those trucks are going for over 100k...IF you can even get one...and they're light duty.

Edited by user 3 years ago | Reason: Not specified

ZRX1200
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3 years ago

#106

Priced for the people!

Obviously the economy of scale works and the planet has been saved!

Unless you voted wrong.

MACS
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3 years ago

#107

I drove my truck across the country with no issues. I could drive almost 600 miles before I needed to stop for fuel (depending on gas station availability).

Went about 2400 miles. Didn't matter if it was hot, cold, hilly, flat or if I had my AC on full blast. Averaged almost 20 mpg with a V8 in a 5620 lb truck.

WINNING!!

tailgater
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3 years ago

#108

we've had a few redemption sites close too, but the retailers have to take back the bottles and cans that are sold with deposits

frankj1 wrote:

Giving back our nickels is their only redeeming quality.

tailgater
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3 years ago

#109

Brewha wrote:

You spelled "China" wrong.

DrMaddVibe
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3 years ago

#110

Truck Stops to Need Small-Town Levels of Energy to Charge EVs

A study conducted by utility company National Grid suggests that highway truck stops setting up for EVs in the next two decades could require the same amount of power as a small town might use.

Based on current traffic patterns, the study found, many highway charging sites (the equivalent to a highway gas station) will require 20 or more fast-chargers to meet EV demand.

The study focused on 71 highway sites in New York and Massachusetts with an eye toward finding solutions to "future proof" U.S. highways for the EV era.

There are a lot of hurdles to clear between where our infrastructure sits now and the seemingly inevitable future of widespread electric-vehicle use. A new study from utility company National Grid is showing just how tall some of those hurdles may be.

The study examined traffic patterns and projected charger use at 71 highway sites throughout New York and Massachusetts and considered relevant EV sales goals/mandates, based on a scenario in which all light-duty vehicles sold in the U.S. are electric by 2035 and all medium- and heavy-duty vehicles sold are EVs by 2045. Think of the highway sites as being equivalent to a highway truck stop or gas station. According to the study, in the next 10 years more than a quarter of the sites studied will require 20 or more fast-chargers, or the equivalent power of a sports stadium, to meet demand during peak hours.

As things stand now, fast-charging along American highways is still in the embryonic stage. To find 20 chargers in one spot, at least outside California and outside the Tesla Supercharger network, is nowhere near the norm. Sometimes, finding an open charger is only half the battle; finding a fast-charger in working order becomes even harder. Gas stations may be able to get by with only four or six pumps, but charging most EVs takes considerably longer than pumping a tank of gas, meaning there will be more time for potential overlap at the charger.

According to the findings, in 10 years more than a quarter of sites studied will require the same amount of power as an outdoor sports stadium to meet charging demand, with some requiring the same power as a small town within the next two decades. The study suggests plugging into the existing high-voltage electrical grid to "future-proof" high traffic areas on the highway. Conveniently, the study notes, these transmission lines already tend to mirror highway routes.

Equivalent to a Small Town

Sites acting as electrified truck stops could require the same amount of energy needed to power a small town. Size and weight are especially important for electric vehicles. Take the nearly 10,000-pound GMC Hummer EV, with its 2923-pound battery, which took an hour and 49 minutes to get from 10 to 90 percent state of charge. On the other hand, the 4800-pound Taycan, which accepts a lower peak power input than the Hummer, is able to charge from 5 to 80 percent state of charge in a claimed 23 minutes. It's not hard to think about how a parking lot full of electric semi-trucks, all towing roughly 40 tons, would require a huge power output.

"No Regrets"

Transitioning our highway infrastructure will not, and can not effectively switch overnight. Of the $5 billion the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law from last year promised, the first $900 million or so has been approved for EV chargers to cover 53,000 miles of highway throughout the country.

In its summary of the study, National Grid says a goal is to figure out how to do "no regrets" upgrades at "no-regrets" sites—"so we can build grid infrastructure once, and build it right." In what seems like an understatement, the power company says upgrading and building high-voltage interconnections along highways "can take years," which is the points of its study urging the industry to plan ahead for it now. One thing is for certain: the highway landscape is going to look different—and much more electrified—10 and 20 years into the future.

https://www.autoweek.com/news/a42073541/truck-stops-energy-cost-electric-vehicles/

Um, yeah...I'm gonna need you to come in this weekend...yeah...and if that's okay with you I'm going to need you to build a lot more nuclear power plants...yeah...soooo, those ugly fans out there in the plains aren't going to affect the power needed...um, yeah. That means to little panels everyone is putting on their heads too...yeah.

HockeyDad
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3 years ago

#111

Sounds like more work for Le HockeyDad!

Gene363
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3 years ago

#112

Sounds like more work for Le HockeyDad!

HockeyDad wrote:

Sounds like a new market for gas turbine peaking units.

The escape pod: https://cigarbid.freeforums.net

Stogie1020
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3 years ago

#113

Two things come to mind after reading that article (thanks for posting DMV).

1. The nature of the "refueling experience" is going to be a lot different in 20 years. Right now, the gas station is a very transitory place where we might spend a few minutes, reluctantly, mingling with the unwashed masses as we all anxiously wait for the tank to fill so we can get the hell out of there with our lives intact. Occasionally, we might be extra adventurous and actually go inside the store to relive ourselves or peruse the vast selection of preservative filled goodies or mystery meats glistening on stainless steel rollers.

With the extended times for EV charging, though, we will be a captive audience for at least 20-40 minutes. It's possible that the in-car entertainment system may be enough to keep us occupied at first, but I venture to guess that these charging stations are going to become very commercialized and also very "experience oriented." There may be fee-based short-duration entertainment, quality food offerings for an actual sit-down meal, coffee lounges with relaxing places to spend time, etc. Of course, eventually the heyday of the charging "oasis" will pass and we be back to standing near our car while the volts rush in and we clean the center console of old apple cores, dried booger tissues and some unrecognizable wrapper from food we don't recall eating.

2. If there is a tremendous uptick in the infrastructure of EV systems along major travel routes, requiring the use of land for transmission lines, etc., is this the time to really start thinking about fast electric powered inter-city trains? If there were ample, daily-use EV vehicles at each end for kiosk-style renting (like the rental bikes in many cities), I think this would be a much more viable option. Since we are already apparently going to run or enhance high powered lines along major travel routes, this seems like a no-brainer.