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DrMaddVibe
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3 years ago

#461

USPS Purchases Ford EV Vans To Electrify Nation's Largest Federal Fleet

The United States Postal Service (USPS) announced plans to purchase thousands of electric delivery vehicles from Ford Motor Company. The move is part of the USPS's efforts to 'greenify' 75% of its fleet over the next five years.

USPS awarded a contract to purchase 9,250 Ford E-Transit Battery Electric Vehicles (BEVs). The first delivery of the EV mail trucks will begin in December of this year.

"These domestically sourced vehicles will be 100 percent electric and are part of the 21,000 COTS vehicles included in the Postal Service's vehicle acquisition plan announced in December 2022. The Ford E-Transit BEVs are manufactured in Kansas City, Missouri," USPS wrote in a statement.

In addition to the 9,250 EV mail trucks, USPS awarded contracts to three suppliers for the purchase of 14,000 charging stations to be installed at mail facilities.

"We are moving forward with our plans to simultaneously improve our service, reduce our cost, grow our revenue, and improve the working environment for our employees. Electrification of our vehicle fleet is now an important component of these initiatives," Postmaster General Louis DeJoy said in the statement.

The contract is a significant pivot for USPS, which had announced early last year that it would replace its 30-plus-year-old fleet of mail trucks with gasoline-fueled models made by Oshkosh Corp. That would've disappointed the Biden administration, which has been attempting to electrify the federal government's fleet of vehicles. USPS has the nation's largest federal fleet.

After facing criticism from some members of Congress and receiving a $3 billion funding boost from the Biden administration's Inflation Reduction Act, the postal service changed its approach in December. The organization then announced a new plan to acquire 66,230 electric delivery vans by 2028, costing $10 billion.

https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/usps-purchases-ford-ev-vans-electrify-nations-largest-federal-fleet

Quick...do the math...how much do the vehicles cost that we all had to pay for?

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RayR
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3 years ago

#462

"We are moving forward with our plans to simultaneously improve our service, reduce our cost, grow our revenue, and improve the working environment for our employees. Electrification of our vehicle fleet is now an important component of these initiatives," Postmaster General Louis DeJoy said in the statement.

DeJoy was the founder and CEO of the logistics and freight company New Breed Logistics and was a major Republican Party donor and fundraiser.
I love these bureaucrats that were supposedly capitalists in their former life. Once they get into a government job, they think they can run a government agency like a business, which is impossible.
They'll come up with grand schemes to please the regime, but not their customers and those unwilling investors—the taxpayers. The regime will then return the favor with pallets of stolen loot for successive bailouts to keep them from going belly-up.

DrMaddVibe
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3 years ago

#463

Those EV Fords...powered by???

https://www.theblaze.com/news/us-postal-service-to-purchase-evs-from-ford-after-automaker-signs-deal-with-chinese-battery-firm [/i][/color]

:-k

Yeah...definitely no quid pro quo here, right Hunter?

Brewha
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3 years ago

#464

Were we you guys when the leftist crazies sold us electric tooth brushes????

Oh, the humanity!

DrMaddVibe
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3 years ago

#465

Were we you guys when the leftist crazies sold us electric tooth brushes????

Oh, the humanity!

Brewha wrote:

So...you're the sucker that bought a $150,000.00 electric toothbrush that makes fart noises?

Gene363
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3 years ago

#466

Jeramy Clarkson discusses the Prius.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CnA2Z8SpG4j/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

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Brewha
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3 years ago

#467

Clarkson would fit right in here.

Calling others morons while demonstrating that he as not a clue....

The average EV has about 8 kg (18 Lbs) of lithium in it. Just imagine the huge cost of shipping 18 pounds overseas!
He prolly lives in a moat.

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Gene363
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3 years ago

#468

Yup, Clarkson's video is abrasive, especially since he is correct.

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Brewha
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3 years ago

#469

Yup, Clarkson's video is abrasive, especially since he is correct.

Gene363 wrote:

That guy couldn't pour piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel.

But abrasive rage sell to so, so many people.
But being pissed at a Prius??
He needs to get a life.

Gene363
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3 years ago

#470

That guy couldn't pour piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel.

But abrasive rage sell to so, so many people.
But being pissed at a Prius??
He needs to get a life.

Brewha wrote:

Maybe he is pissed at the BS associated with Prius benifits more than the car itself.

It's also against the party line to say anything critical about electric cars or to examine their actul benifits/impacts. His point about moving comdities is correct and should be included in the discuion of EV's but typically it is not and anyone that does so is attacked, that alone should make you pause.

He has a rather good life from my POV.

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Brewha
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3 years ago

#471

Gene363 wrote:

Not caring about the party line, I would agree that there are legitimate critical things to say about EV’s. But mining metal and moving them from one country to another is nothing new. Besides, they mine lithium here in Texas with new mines opening as we speak. This is just misinformed angst. 18 Lbs per car Gene. Making an issue out of it looks like misinformation to me.

Now, the elephant in the room is government mandates - 12 years out in a few states and no were else - pizzing people off because they don’t understand them.

There is a “good life” to be had by being a talking head string anger wherever one can find it. No doubt.

Don’t worry about EV mandates. Sooner or later, you’ll want one.
Just squat and watch.

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Gene363
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3 years ago

#472

Government mandate, of course, export all the pollution and problems, then calm woke sainthood.

The sooner Kalifornia outlaws the use of any hydrocarbons the better, and not just hydrocarbon fuels. No imports of hydrocarbons or electricity, go totally green. Show the way.

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BuckyB93
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3 years ago

#473

Brewha wrote:

How much ore needs to be dug up to create your 18 lbs of Li. How much energy (burning fossil fuels) does it require to refine that ore into a usable form? What's your cost benefit analysis on this? Asking for a friend...

(Here's your chance to provide real world and respectable sources to defend your thesis and your position).

I've said it time and time again, I'm not anti "green energy" or against working toward "cleaner" energy but to date the pie in the sky fantasy of being carbon neutral and a promise of self sustainable, renewable energy is pipe dream.

There is no technology on the horizon that gets us there in my our life time much less the mandated year of 2035 or whatever number they pull out of their a$$. Do we stop trying? Nope. But until we have a few that are viable and within our grasp, cutting the umbilical cord from well established and reliable sources of energy using government mandates is not the way to go.

Don't get me wrong, EV's have their niche for some areas and for some people. The same goes for solar and wind energy but to pretend they are truly green and clean... or even cleaner than current fossil fuel technology (in the holistic view, soup to nuts).... that's 100% false.

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deadeyedick
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3 years ago

#474

https://www.motortrend.com/features/truth-about-electric-cars-ad-why-you-are-being-lied-to/

Opinion from Motor Trend mag

Brewha
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3 years ago

#475

BuckyB93 wrote:

I'm smiling at the red herring of lithium mining.
You don't have an issues with mining and refining iron or aluminum, making plastics - but LITHIUM!! Oh no! Not even 1% of a cars material.
Who told you this was a real concern - cause they lied to you.

I've said it time and time again, I'm not anti "green energy" or against working toward "cleaner" energy but to date the pie in the sky fantasy of being carbon neutral and a promise of self sustainable, renewable energy is pipe dream.

There is no technology on the horizon that gets us there in my our life time much less the mandated year of 2035 or whatever number they pull out of their a$$. Do we stop trying? Nope. But until we have a few that are viable and within our grasp, cutting the umbilical cord from well established and reliable sources of energy using government mandates is not the way to go.

BuckyB93 wrote:

"pie in the sky"???
How about a car in the drive way and solar panels on the roof?
I have no idea why you are convinced there are no "viable" technologies out there. honestly. You can buy them - today. Really.

And since every major vehicle manufacturer is going electric - or going all electric - I think there will be lots of choices 12 years from now.

Don't get me wrong, EV's have their niche for some areas and for some people. The same goes for solar and wind energy but to pretend they are truly green and clean... or even cleaner than current fossil fuel technology (in the holistic view, soup to nuts).... that's 100% false.

BuckyB93 wrote:

They are far and away cleaner. Hanging you hat on fact they are "not perfectly green" is just nay saying.

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Gene363
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3 years ago

#476

https://www.motortrend.com/features/truth-about-electric-cars-ad-why-you-are-being-lied-to/

Opinion from Motor Trend mag

deadeyedick wrote:

That is a pretty good middle-of-the-road POV. (Pun intended.) The overall capacity of the grid still needs to be addressed, but not everything happens at once.

I'm sure someone will be along shortly to say it's all wrong and we must imedatly bow down and worship at the EV alter.

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DrMaddVibe
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3 years ago

#477

An angle nobody saw coming.

Not ESG-Friendly: Insurers Junk Entire EVs For Minor Accidents

It's a surprise that Reuters has published an article revealing that the electric vehicle revolution might not be as environmentally friendly as automakers claim. Furthermore, a scratched or slightly damaged battery pack could lead insurance companies to scrap the entire car.

"We're buying electric cars for sustainability reasons," Matthew Avery, research director at automotive risk intelligence company Thatcham Research, said.

Avery pointed out, "an EV isn't very sustainable if you've got to throw the battery away after a minor collision."

A Tesla battery pack costs tens of thousands of dollars and represents a large percentage of the vehicle's price tag. Insurance companies have found that it's uneconomical to replace battery packs if damaged.

Many automotive manufacturers, including Tesla, have made battery packs a structural part of the car to reduce cost products but have shifted costs to consumers and insurers when batteries need to be replaced.

Unless carmakers produce more easily repairable battery packs, there will be a growing number of low-mileage EVs scrapped after collisions.

"The number of cases is going to increase, so the handling of batteries is a crucial point," said Christoph Lauterwasser, managing director of the Allianz Center for Technology, a research institute owned by Allianz.

According to Lauterwasser, the production of EV batteries results in significantly higher CO2 emissions compared to conventional fossil-fuel models. Therefore, if these batteries are discarded with low mileage, it undermines the goal of promoting environmentally-friendly practices.

"If you throw away the vehicle at an early stage, you've lost pretty much all advantage in terms of CO2 emissions," he said.

Sandy Munro, head of Michigan-based Munro & Associates, which analyzes vehicles and advises automakers on how to improve them, said the Model Y battery pack has "zero repairability."

"A Tesla structural battery pack is going straight to the grinder," Munro said.

So much for the EV revolution and the green "circular economy" touted by carmakers, politicians, NGOs, and climate activists... These EVs appear even worse for the environment when compared with traditional petrol-powered vehicles.

https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/not-esg-friendly-insurers-junk-entire-evs-minor-accidents

They said they didn't care about the environment anyways.