this is so rational.

frankj1 wrote:

You rang?

HockeyDad wrote:

EVs themselves are not the actual issue, it's the idea that climate alarmists have no compunction about exaggerating and flat out lying to promote their position.

It's a re-run of the lies anti-drug interests told to keep people from using drugs. The COVID issues, the ozone hole, nuclear winter, and the population bomb, IMO the latter is one is going to cause the end of life as we know it.

I'm a born cynic, but for crying out loud, between the pros, the antis, and the conspiracy therapists, trying to get clear, unbiased information is nearly impossible without through research.

There are problems/issues with EVs, some are glaring and impossible to ignore, however, point them out and the EV proponents immediately want to cancel you as some sort of anti-science luddite. To make things worse, anyone with basic intelligence can see they do not understand basic science or believe in a narrative so much they will ignore common sense.

You also have the third issue, there are smart people that are more than willing to monetize issues to make a profit and control the rabble.

Gene363 wrote:

With regards to how I look at it is much the same way our government used agencies to attack the citizens during the plandemic. It was a "hurry hurry you have to do this or else" take and enforced with no legal standing. Feelings and emotions overtook facts and empirical proof it was a falsehood. They ran with it as long as they could until they were dragged through the legal system and common sense prevailed. The same emotional heretics that ran that sham are not surprisingly here peddling the EV's. The ram it down approach by attempting to end petroleum and gas powered motors by 2035 is a laughable joke. Strip away the rebates and the "mandates" and the EV falls under the weight of itself. The use of one is prohibitive to the point of uselessness for me and anyone else with livestock or a large trailer. To date I haven't seen an EV truck with an 8' bed that can tow a 30' 3 horse slant w/ living quarters trailer on a gooseneck much less put 10 bales of hay and 10 bags of feed in. Did I mention that I like to live my life debt free? WTF should I go in debt to buy a fart car? The supposed mileage crumbles under the wight of reality itself. I am not down some new technology. At all. I'm against taxpayer dollars being used against common sense. Look no further than here...they didn't buy it to save the environment!

As for Frank's comment...Nike is a woke company and always was. Any fool wearing them deserves what they peddle and the slave labor it took to make them. You can make a profit, but when you have to use slave labor to do it...go to hell.

DrMaddVibe wrote:

😁 making a profit is not a bad thing.

Gene363 wrote:

I don’t bet against the government. If the government says we will all be driving electric cars soon then we will all be driving electric cars soon. It doesn’t matter if it is right or wrong. It doesn’t matter if it does anything for climate change or pollution. You wanna fight it, you would need F-15s.

Now when you get your government mandated electric car, you may still have the option of not wearing a pink skirt like Brewha does when driving it.

For the record, I’m against slave labor. I prefer H-1B visas. It’s progressive.

HockeyDad wrote:

Also not quite accurate, but I do agree rational.

In the past when we've had the wild temperature swings of cooling and warming it was very quickly in some of those cases... due to natural occurrences of the Earth such as volcanoes, massive Earth quakes, meteors. We're not even close to CO2 levels of some of the past years and CO2 is not all bad... what we really need to do to help is plant a lot more friggin' trees. They turn that stuff into oxygen ya know. 😟

John Coleman is a long time meteorologist... i.e. climate scientist. Sadly he has passed on, but he's made a number of videos about the issue. This is a good one:

MACS wrote:

Until China and India get on board, and don't hold your breath, anything we do is a sliver of a sliver of a sliver that used to be a bandaid sliver.

Makes almost no difference whatsoever. And that's a fact, Jack.

MACS wrote:

They’re not green though.

ZRX1200 wrote:

EVs themselves are not the actual issue, it's the idea that climate alarmists have no compunction about exaggerating and flat out lying to promote their position.

It's a re-run of the lies anti-drug interests told to keep people from using drugs. The COVID issues, the ozone hole, nuclear winter, and the population bomb, IMO the latter is one is going to cause the end of life as we know it.

I'm a born cynic, but for crying out loud, between the pros, the antis, and the conspiracy therapists, trying to get clear, unbiased information is nearly impossible without through research.

There are problems/issues with EVs, some are glaring and impossible to ignore, however, point them out and the EV proponents immediately want to cancel you as some sort of anti-science luddite. To make things worse, anyone with basic intelligence can see they do not understand basic science or believe in a narrative so much they will ignore common sense.

You also have the third issue, there are smart people that are more than willing to monetize issues to make a profit and control the rabble.

Gene363 wrote:

More that half of all EVs made world wide come from China - like 52% of production.
And this years they have a major initiative to sell in India.

The US trails at about 10% of world production.

Would you know a fact if it bit you on the jack?

Brewha wrote:

I wasn't talking about their production of EV's, I was talking about their propensity to pollute the environment. They do a whole lot of it.

I haven't responded to you much lately, and if I have I wasn't being an ass. In fact, I've made it a point to ignore you for the most part. If you feel the need to respond to me, and I really hope you don't... don't be an ass.

MACS wrote:

Wait….you’re an engineer? This is the first I have heard of this.

HockeyDad wrote:

Gene, It’s really not an issue. They are taking over because they are better.
Just ask General Motors, or Ford, BMW, VW, Hyundai, Kia, Volvo, Nissan, Etc.

Stop - just for a moment - and look, just look, at the technology. It’s better.

As a side line, world governments are acting to limit pollution over the next 10-20 years - Are they ALL crazy?

Brewha wrote:

My bad MACS. I’ll be polite.

China is kicking our ass at EV and battery production - what do you think about that?

Brewha wrote:

Engineer... all the arrogance, but the systematic analytical mindaet replaced by narrative on this issue.

Gene363 wrote: