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Brewha
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3 years ago

#661

Oh, you wanted "laughs"...sure.

BAWHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!! Trendy McFart Wagon!

DrMaddVibe wrote:

Doc, I always Laugh at your posts - Give yourself more credit.

DrMaddVibe
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3 years ago

#662

Doc, I always Laugh at your posts - Give yourself more credit.

Brewha wrote:

I bet you do...I bet you do.

DrMaddVibe
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3 years ago

#663

🤣 🤣 🤣

Biden Spent $1 Billion To Get Schools Electric Buses. This Michigan District Says Theirs Hardly Work.

Michigan's fourth-largest school district is having "significant" performance issues with its expensive electric buses, issues that come after the Biden administration spent $1 billion to "transform America's school bus fleet" with electric models.

During an April 19 presentation to the Ann Arbor Public Schools Board of Education, the district's environmental sustainability director, Emile Lauzzana, highlighted a number of issues with the district's electric bus fleet. Those buses, Lauzzana said, have "a lot of downtime and performance issues" and aren't "fully on the road," despite the fact that they are "approximately five times more expensive than regular buses." The infrastructure upgrades required to use the buses, meanwhile, were "originally estimated to be only about $50,000" but "ended up being more like $200,000," according to Lauzzana. "I have a number of colleagues in different states who are facing similar challenges," the district official lamented. "For the school bus market, it's been challenging for us."

Just months before Lauzzana's admission, President Joe Biden's Environmental Protection Agency announced it awarded nearly $1 billion in taxpayer funds to "transform America's school bus fleet" with "over 2,400 clean school buses that will accelerate the transition to zero emission vehicles." But problems with electric buses occurred long before the agency's announcement.

Electric bus company Proterra, which the Biden administration has lauded as "pretty amazing," saw Philadelphia remove 25 of its buses from the roads in 2020 due to structural problems. Those buses cost the city $24 million. Another Southern California city waited months in 2021 to repair nearly a dozen buses from its electric fleet, more than a third of which were out of service at the time. Ann Arbor Public Schools' electric buses also use Proterra batteries and drivetrain technology.

Still, those issues did not stop Biden from setting aside $9 billion for electric school buses and local transit vehicles in the Democrat's November 2021 infrastructure bill. Biden is also not the only prominent Democrat who is spending big on "clean" buses. Michigan Democratic governor Gretchen Whitmer plans to create a $150 million electric school bus program through her 2024 state budget. Even Ann Arbor Public Schools is refusing to step away from electric buses—Lauzzana during his April presentation said the district is committed to purchasing "additional electric buses," despite its ongoing challenges. For conservative group Michigan Freedom Fund, that commitment is misguided.

"Michigan Democrats have put the (electric) cart before the horse. The technology and infrastructure for electric buses do not exist at this moment … yet Democrats and school districts insist on purchasing electric buses," the group's communications director, Mary Drabik, told the Washington Free Beacon. "This backward approach to policy only creates more costly problems for residents. As long as Democrats continue to spend the tax dollars of hard-working Michiganders, it will be the residents that truly suffer, not the environment."

Ann Arbor Public Schools, the Biden administration, and Whitmer did not return requests for comment. While the school district did not purchase its electric buses with federal money from the Biden administration—its buses are the product of a state grant funded by Michigan's portion of a Volkswagen environmental settlement—Lauzzana's presentation shows that the district hopes to take advantage of additional "incentive programs" in the future.

The Biden administration has faced intense criticism from congressional Republicans over its ties to electric bus maker Proterra. Administration officials repeatedly showcased the company while Biden's energy secretary, Jennifer Granholm, held up to $5 million in Proterra stock. Granholm eventually sold her 240,000 Proterra shares in May 2021, with the former Michigan governor earning a cool $1.6 million. Just months after Granholm's stock sale, Proterra officials discussed their plans to capitalize on government electric bus spending. "The tailwinds of the North American electric transit bus market have never been stronger," the company said in an August 2021 report. "With zero emission transit bus funding increasing by over 300 percent over 2021 funding levels, we expect the [infrastructure bill], if passed by Congress and signed into law, to help drive significant acceleration in the electrification of more than 65,000 buses in the North American transit bus fleet."

https://freebeacon.com/biden-administration/biden-spent-1-billion-to-get-schools-electric-buses-this-michigan-district-says-theirs-hardly-work/

With all this electric car hubbub...we've talked about the minerals...what about the copper needed? How much of that is on the planet again??

RayR
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3 years ago

#664

The local public transportation fascist monopoly here has 10 electric buses that were paid for by the State of New York.
They have been in a testing phase for cold weather since January, but they were removed from service early last month because of a recall by the manufacturer New Flyer of America Inc.
Problems with the Energy Storage System they say, leaks that could result in a fire. Perfectly safe though. 😰
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2023/RIONL-23V083-4775.pdf

Brewha
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3 years ago

#665

🤣 🤣 🤣

Biden Spent $1 Billion To Get Schools Electric Buses. This Michigan District Says Theirs Hardly Work.

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With all this electric car hubbub...we've talked about the minerals...what about the copper needed? How much of that is on the planet again??

DrMaddVibe wrote:

Copper? You are kidding right?
According to USGS data there are "shit tons of it". 🤦

On the big vehicle front, Frito Lay has started their move to electric semi trucks (Tesla) for deliver with great success - and substantial cost savings. Amazon EV delivery trucks (Rivian) are cruising my neighborhood, and they are rolling out more (cheaper and better).

And Hertz now has 50,000 EVs in their fleet (because they are smart).

I don't doubt that with all the start ups and new tech there are some lemons out there. BMWs i3 was kind of a joke - but they got better. And the Fiat 500-e is, well - not great.

But you go right ahead and hold back the ocean with a broom.

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DrMaddVibe
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3 years ago

#666

Brewha wrote:

Once again you show what a dimwit you really are.

You should've asked why I wanted to know about copper.

Then you went balls deep to defend your trendy purchase with what you see with your own eyes.

Did you have anything to offer about the post I put up? No. Why? Because you offer nothing of fact. That's you though. You bought into Biden with Covid. You bought into him with his Green New Deal. You're a sucker. Can't blame the GOP with their budget that they passed when you have grits for brains sitting behind the Resolute Desk and 81 million drooling morons that put him there. 9 billion set aside for vehicles that don't/can't operate. Let's claw that money back and get the debt down.

I soooooo look forward to your next fact avoidance post where you believe I'm wrong. Everything you want to believe is all here to show it's on you.

RayR
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3 years ago

#667

I hope Frito Lay at least reduces their prices with all that "substantial cost savings" Their chips are way too expensive.

Were there any cash grants given to those corporations so they could invest in EV's?
I heard the Biden regime gave $2.8 billion in grants for 20 companies to produce batteries for electric vehicles in the United States.
Ain't economic fascism great?

Brewha
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3 years ago

#668

DrMaddVibe wrote:

You’re always so petulant, D.

Ok, I’ll bite - what do you want to know about copper? Did Joe Rogen say we were running out or something?

And regarding your post from “The Washington Free Beacon” (😂), I did say I was not surprised that some startups were having trouble. I thought you would agree with that out of hand as you seem convinced that EVs can’t be made to work (#-o ).

I did not say I believed you were wrong - But I have shown that you were, time and time again….

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Brewha
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3 years ago

#669

This just in:

Tesla Model Y is now the best selling car in the world, beating out the Toyota Camery.

🇨🇮

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HockeyDad
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3 years ago

#670

This just in:

Tesla Model Y is now the best selling car in the world, beating out the Toyota Camery.

🇨🇮

Brewha wrote:

It has solidified its status as the next Prius.

RayR
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3 years ago

#671

It must have beaten the Camery in sales because of commercial fleets like Hertz who get HUUUGE tax credits, much more than that measly $7500 that Brewha got. And they also get equally HUUUGE subsidies for installing charging stations too.

A piece by the Wall Street Journal Editorial board posted on Oct. 26, 2021 after Hertz announced they would be buying 100,000 Teslas for its car-rental fleet explained a lot.

Behind That Hertz Tesla Purchase

The rental-car company has a secret business weapon: Taxpayers.

The more you look behind corporate and government press releases these days, the more you learn about their mutual benefit society. We wrote Tuesday about the many subsidies for Tesla’s electric cars, but it turns out there’s also a pot of subsidy gold behind the Hertz decision to buy 100,000 Teslas for its car-rental fleet.

Tesla CEO Elon Musk says he isn’t giving Hertz a discount on the reported $4.2 billion order. But he doesn’t need to because the House reconciliation spending bill includes a 30% tax credit for “qualified commercial electric vehicles.”

The text doesn’t clearly define what is a “qualified commercial electric” vehicle, but our sources say Hertz’s Teslas would likely make the cut. The credit could save Hertz $1.26 billion and make a Tesla almost as cheap for Hertz to buy as a Toyota Camry.

Hertz plans to install thousands of electric-vehicle chargers, which could also be eligible for taxpayers subsidies. The House spending bill extends a 30% tax credit for the installation of EV charging stations through 2031, which is on top of the $7.5 billion appropriation for stations in the separate Senate infrastructure bill.

Hertz’s interim CEO Mark Fields is casting the company’s Tesla order as a strategic business decision and evidence that EVs are going mainstream. Maybe, and there’s no doubt that the Tesla order is winning progressive accolades for the rental-car company. Electric vehicles are also less expensive to maintain than gas-powered cars, so they could reduce Hertz’s operating costs.

But if EVs make business sense, why must the government subsidize them? Democrats complain that corporations aren’t paying their fair share in taxes, but then they give them generous tax breaks for promoting progressive policies that reduce their tax payments.

Enjoy that Hertz Tesla ride. You’ll have paid more for it than the rental contract says.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/behind-that-hertz-tesla-purchase-elon-musk-mark-fields-rental-cars-electric-vehicles-congress-subsidy-11635283895

Yep, that fascist "mutual benefit society" of government and business sure beats old fashioned free market capitalism, doesn't it Brew?

Brewha
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3 years ago

#672

It has solidified its status as the next Prius.

HockeyDad wrote:

Your automotive knowledge is….predictable.

MACS
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3 years ago

#673

This just in... most of the Tesla vehicles could not be built without fossil fuels. Plastic. Rubber. The energy used to produce it.

Side note: Building these cars does more to harm the environment. Mining lithium, cobalt, copper, etc.

But fossil fuel is bad. That is all.

DrMaddVibe
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3 years ago

#674

Your automotive knowledge is….predictable.

Brewha wrote:

Yours is ALL trendy.

Brewha
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3 years ago

#675

The information wars over EV's seems to be subsiding. With the major auto manufacturers all switching over to EV's, there is less of a media push to spread bad information about them. John Stossel will need to find another payday.

But for the foot soldiers, the battle wages on.

I believe that every one of these myths has been sold on this thread - some many times:

https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths

Worse, I'm seeming more amateurs improvising mis information about EVs. And it is starting to get comical.
Who in their right mind would think that EV's would stop the use of petrochemicals??
Why is mining suddenly bad - but only if the metals used for EVs?

I guess a good soldier never questions orders.....

Brewha
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3 years ago

#676

Yours is ALL trendy.

DrMaddVibe wrote:

Don't worry Doc - no one will ever accuse you of being on-trend.

HockeyDad
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3 years ago

#677

I guess a good soldier never questions orders.....

Brewha wrote:

The government mandates that you buy an electric vehicle. The government then dispels any negative information. Brewha cheers the government.

This is why I never bet against the government!

Brewha
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3 years ago

#678

The government mandates that you buy an electric vehicle. The government then dispels any negative information. Brewha cheers the government.

This is why I never bet against the government!

HockeyDad wrote:

So you will be trading in you Prius for an all electric?

HockeyDad
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3 years ago

#679

So you will be trading in you Prius for an all electric?

Brewha wrote:

Ask yourself this, do you still have a gas powered car as a backup to your electric?

I see my first electric being a golf cart. Then I may go for a BMW iX xDrive50.

Brewha
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3 years ago

#680

Ask yourself this, do you still have a gas powered car as a backup to your electric?

I see my first electric being a golf cart. Then I may go for a BMW iX xDrive50.

HockeyDad wrote:

The wife still has her gas SUV, that I put a battery charger on every month or two because she never drives it.

That's a nice beamer. And a good way to go if you can not afford a Tesla (just kidding).

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