Freedom, you have it or you do not. Machine guns should be available in vending machines.

Gene363 wrote:

You made me laugh on that one. Can imagine all of the scumbags in California who are suffering no consequences for stealing thousands of dollars of goods every day, reinvesting the cash they raise into the AR15 machine every couple days.

Not sure where the Cringe emoji is, but make believe I just posted it.

8trackdisco wrote:

Yessir. "the right of the people, to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed".

Keep = own, bear = carry... and they said SHALL not. They didn't say may not, or should not... they made it crystal clear with the words SHALL not.

SCOTUS has already ruled that NY's laws are unconstitutional. Would you care to refute the SCOTUS, counselor? I'd like to hear that argument.

MACS wrote:

So, I went ahead and read the entire 130+/-case. Just to reply to your post

No dispute with the particular outcome given the arbitrariness of the approval process. Glad to see reaffirmance that states can (IMO should) require minimum standards of classes/training to obtain a cc card applied on an equal basis for all (with a few exceptions we all agree on).

But, I do see two legal issues ignored: modern events and current society/history not being considered and technical legal issues with whether the court should have decided the case on less than full fact-finding/evidence.

You and I will never agree about everything about guns and some of the limitations I believe are necessary you believe
are inherent rights...

rfenst wrote:

The training requirement is another feel-good face for firearm restrictions. South Carolina went through a hand-wringing period over this issue that held up CC reciprocity with Georgia permit holders. Georgia requires no training, period, just a background check. The South Carolina Sherrif's Association was the holdup, I was personally involved in a small way. Thank goodness Georgia and South Carolina permit holders can cross our common border while carrying.

Regarding training, most members of law enforcement, special units excepted, are not that well trained, if they even receive any training at all. I've seen some at our local ranges, so I do have some personal experience. I made the point to the Sherriff's association by asking the question, "Do you believe the 8-hour class, required by SC to get a permit, can make anyone a gun expert?" I also pointed out that if Georgia "untrained" CC holders were shooting up the landscape or in any way involved in gun incidents/accidents, the anti-gun media would be all over it screaming the sky was falling.

Gene363 wrote:

I had to take the 8 hour course to get my cc and think it was a good idea for myself and certainly some of the idiots in our class. That requireement is not arbitrary and is applied equally to all. I see nothing wrong with it.

rfenst wrote:

The Court held, for the first time, that the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms for self-defense extends outside the home, and it directed lawmakers and lower courts that gun regulations must “accord” with supposed historical understanding.

No argument here...

MACS wrote:

Everyone could use a third hole.

ZRX1200 wrote:

The training requirement is another feel-good face for firearm restrictions. South Carolina went through a hand-wringing period over this issue that held up CC reciprocity with Georgia permit holders. Georgia requires no training, period, just a background check. The South Carolina Sherrif's Association was the holdup, I was personally involved in a small way. Thank goodness Georgia and South Carolina permit holders can cross our common border while carrying.

Regarding training, most members of law enforcement, special units excepted, are not that well trained, if they even receive any training at all. I've seen some at our local ranges, so I do have some personal experience. I made the point to the Sherriff's association by asking the question, "Do you believe the 8-hour class, required by SC to get a permit, can make anyone a gun expert?" I also pointed out that if Georgia "untrained" CC holders were shooting up the landscape or in any way involved in gun incidents/accidents, the anti-gun media would be all over it screaming the sky was falling.

Gene363 wrote:

Well….Gene is a “third hole” kind guy….

Brewha wrote:

I think if you dove into that a little deeper you’d find that to be false. Perhaps your state doesn’t train their officers but, I suspect that to be the exception, not the rule. I know when I was a LEO I spent at least one day a month in training. The Louisiana POST Council has very high annual training requirements. I’m sure we are not the only state that does either.

Abrignac wrote:

Speaking of third hole...how's that fart car? What did you buy again...the Sphincter GT model?

DrMaddVibe wrote:

For the most part, I consider myself center left. I used to consider myself center right, but the right has gone fricken crazy. I am a gun owner. In fact I consider myself to be a gun enthusiast. I have many firearms, and a buttload of Ammo. I have a bolt action 6.5 creedmore, with a 26" Bull barrel, that I am ringing 6" steel, at 800 meters. I have many handguns, including may favorite carry piece, a Sig P226, chambered in 357 sig, as well as a drop in 40 cal. barrel. I have built, several AR 15s, and an AR 10. My bedside gun is a Taurus Judge, chambered in 3 inch magnum 410. I have it loaded with PDX1 which has 4 discs, followed by #4 shot. I think this is the best bed-side gun, because I don't need to look for my glasses, to hit a target, with a fricken shotgun. But for the most part, I believe in a libertarian mindset, but not so radical as to think taxation is theft. But now we are getting too far into politics, which belongs on a different forum. Damn, I need a beer.
Dave A.K.A. (Homebrew)🍺

Homebrew wrote: