Consumers would always choose the smahter choice, all things being equal.

frankj1 wrote:

“All things being equal” is quite an asterisk! All things are never equal.

Does your electric company offer you an energy package based on renewable power that costs a higher amount and did you pick it or the cheaper plan?

HockeyDad wrote:

In November 2021 President Biden signed the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act (IIJA), also known as the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law (BIL), authorizing an estimated $1.2 trillion investment in U.S. infrastructure, including at least $7.5 billion dedicated to supporting electric vehicle (EV) adoption through dedicated funding for vehicles and charging infrastructure. The act includes an additional $32.5 billion eligible to support EVs, plus $10.5 billion for grid upgrades and battery development. Nine months later, in August 2022, President Biden signed the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA), creating an additional $369 billion in climate investments including $47 billion eligible to support EVs (not including tax credits or loan programs).1,2

https://www.atlasevhub.com/data_story/3-billion-in-federal-funding-for-evs-to-date/ 

deadeyedick wrote:

Picking and choosing the extremes aren't you? So far with the current technology and the technology on the horizon, an EV will not meet the needs for the average person regarding cost of ownership, convenience and costs for fill up and stuff.

BuckyB93 wrote:

Source to support your claims?

BuckyB93 wrote:

Source to support your claims? An apartment complex, condo units and so on will not install "electric gas stations" for every parking spot. I don't have a source but common sense. The costs to do so will be enormous and require the electric utility companies to install and/or upgrade the infrastructure to do so. Then where does the extra electric supply come from? Larger plants to make the electricity. Wind, solar, geothermal, and hydroelectric plants are very location specific. These have their place but they are not the solution.

BuckyB93 wrote:

Corporate culture is based on profits. That doesn't differ from the local Mom & Pop pizza joint. They are in business to make profit. If they don't then they go out of business. Average consumer attitude is based on how much we can afford and save. So far EV's are not hitting most of the check marks that consumers are looking for and need. EV production and sales are currently buoyed by tax payer money. This will come to an end and they will have to take on the expenses without government money. All the car makers have been saying that. The big 3 in the US have cut production of EV's. Japan, Korea have also cut back production of EV's. Why? because they don't sell as well as other models. They have publicly said so. Fact not opinion

BuckyB93 wrote:

Again picking and choosing. So are EV's less susceptible to repairs or getting into and accident? What's the cost to repair or replace a ball joint on your Tesla? Is your Tesla less susceptible of a bad ball joint? Less susceptible of issues with your suspension system (hint, your car weighs more than a similar car that has a ICE), less susceptible to tire wear? Less susceptible for steering issues? How many local shops can fix such issues? Very far less than those than can with ICE vehicles. If you need a new battery how much does that cost and how long will it be in the shop to fix it? ICE batteries can be replaced within an hour or so (including going to buy a new one at any parts store). Fact, not opinion.

BuckyB93 wrote:

Maybe in a couple months and I can do it in my driveway. I also refill the windshield wiper fluid and windshield wipers all by myself, I don't take it to the shop to do so. Why would you take it to the shop to do so? Maybe you are not mechanically proficient enough to open the cap on a bottle of windshield fluid to top it yourself. If so, I feel sorry for you.

BuckyB93 wrote:

I don't expect you to provide solid sources for your above claims. You don't do that. You just provide your personal experience and opinions and want everyone to get in line with what works for you. That is a self centered attitude.

BuckyB93 wrote:

I went with Green Mountain. Cost's a little more, not much.

frankj1 wrote:

No, you're ignoring real engineers in a field that you're clearly not. Listing facts. You? No. Your experiences are here are jaded as f@ck. Don't blame me or get it twisted. You don't have any factual proof. You're as emotional as a post partum 1st time mother with your Trendy McFart Car. You espouse feelings, but even Bucky punctured your "zero maintenance" balloon. Its laughable at this point, the degree that you're willing to bury your head in the sand and preach about the viability of EVs. Even the auto makers see what I've been telling you on this thread. They're losing money. Esurping taxpayer funds to prop up an administrations unrealistic CAFE standards so they can ram this crap down your throat. Just like the Covid vaccines...you lept head first into before you ever researched a single side effect. Face it. You're a useful tool of the Biden Administration. A sucker. The emperor isn't wearing clothes, but here you are on yet another thread telling everyone how magnificent they are and you can see them. Describe away. We all see you again, looking as dumb as you did before. Carrying water for a man that cannot walk, talk and feels up little kids.

DrMaddVibe wrote:

An apartment with a charging stall will be more valuable to rent - so they will come.
And EV's take as much power to charge as a clothes dry - and they change overnight - so the grid can handle it.

Brewha wrote:

You opinion, not fact. If true why is the best selling car in the world an EV?
As I said, the bog 3 are decades behind - and it shows.

Brewha wrote:

An apartment with a charging stall will be more expensive (you use the word valuable but in real life the word is expensive) to rent. Apartment complex will have pay to get them installed and maintain them so cost of renting it goes up. EV's may take as much power as a clothes dryer but, for example, a apartment building or series of buildings with 100 units will need to install at least 100 charging units. Plus many households have more than one vehicle on the road so lets say 150 charging units installed. That's a lot of new juice that needs to be supplied. New overhead or underground wires will be need to be run to supply it. That's not cheap and the costs will be passed down to the renter.

You don't care because it's not your problem but would welcome the EV mandates on everyone since they work for your situation. I don't have and EV so it doesn't impact me but there are a ton of logistics and unanticipated costs that I don't think are being thought through or if they are, it doesn't seem like there is a plan to address them. Just a pie in the sky picture that is being forced through the system.



Source?
Best selling may have been true in the beginning of the year (with some fancy number choosing). But current numbers in these sources say differently.
https://www.autoweek.com/news/industry-news/a44600661/is-tesla-model-y-the-worlds-best-selling-car-nope-not-even-close/

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g43553191/bestselling-cars-2023/ [/color]

BuckyB93 wrote:

You do know how that works though? You get your electricity from the power plant that feeds your substation and feeder. It may have green energy, it may not. You pay a little more so you get to feel good. That’s the service you bought!

HockeyDad wrote:

https://www.kbb.com/car-news/tesla-model-y-was-the-worlds-best-selling-car-last-quarter/


Bucky in the next 10, 20 years and more - things, lots of things are going to change. And sooner of later this is one of them.

And it is free market - the one or two state mandates are more than a decade away. The car companies are going there sooner - going all EV. And that opinion is a fact....

Brewha wrote:

And that opinion is a fact....

Brewha wrote:

It's green.
Makes me feel the same as when I pick up litter and stuff...I assume you pick up litter and stuff as well.
That's about how it feels.

frankj1 wrote:

If it feels good then it’s worth it. It’s just not real.

(Nobody picks up litter and stuff in San Francisco. Learned behavior)

HockeyDad wrote:

My one year plus of ownership and use IS NOT PROOF! Thanks DMV, got it.

Oh, yabba-dabba-do!

Brewha wrote:

Guess you didn't read it. Quote from your source: "The Tesla Model Y electric SUV was the best-selling vehicle on planet Earth in the first quarter of 2023."

I'll repeat in case you didn't catch it... first quarter of 2023. Your source is from 06/01/2023. The two sources I provided are more current: one published merely one month after your source and another published earlier this month. You probably didn't read those either. Based on the two sources that I provided, Tesla has fallen in the sales ranks behind other vehicle sales but let's not let details or facts get in the way of your claims.

By the way, if you read the Auto Week article I posted a link to...

"Problem is, on all the charts we could find from Tesla as well as from fawning electric-vehicle sites reporting on them, the company groups Model Y production and sales with Model 3 production and sales. Tesla delivered 412,180 Models 3/Y globally in the first quarter, and we can’t find the breakout among the two."

So if you wanna lump in like items from each manufacturer Toyota can play that game too. Again from the same article: "We reached out to Toyota for Corolla numbers, and the automaker reports it sold 740,561 Corollas worldwide in the first quarter of this year, counting all versions including the Cross. That’s about 75% more than Tesla, even if you count the Model 3 in with the Model Y. Sorry, Elon, not even close."

Again, I'm not anti Tesla or anti EV's or setting large goals but let's look at facts not fudged numbers, pie in the sky dreams, government driven mandates or promises that are not based on reality.


By the way, an opinion is not a fact. Look up the definition of the two words (unless they changed the definitions recently)

o·pin·ion
/əˈpiny(ə)n/
noun
noun: opinion; plural noun: opinions

a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

fact
/fak(t)/
noun
noun: fact; plural noun: facts

a thing that is known or proved to be true.

BuckyB93 wrote:

One of these days you'll see how you were used. Maybe by the vaccinations. Maybe by your Trendy McFart Car. Maybe by your ignorance.

You really need to go back from Page 1. Take your emotions out of the equations.

Who has been providing facts from industry experts? Not you.

If someone would've asked about your experiences, then you'd have a point. NOBODY HAS DONE THAT. You live in the Utopia between your own ears.


All the way back from Page 1, Post #24...nothing has changed from you.

DrMaddVibe wrote: