Abrignac
2 years ago

Guessing is exactly what that article asks the reader to do. And we are to guess that EV's are don't work in cold weather.
But they do. It appears that if you run the battery to near empty in -17 degree weather, and put yourself in a position to have to charge at a station in the cold (not too bright) than yes - it's gonna be a problem.

But there will always be people who run out of gas.

Maybe the truth is that people are not ready for EV's.....

Brewha wrote:



What’s true is if you run a piston engine powered car out of fuel all you have to do is add more fuel and you’re back on the road. If at a “refueling” station such as the Teslas sitting within reach of the actual fuel source as was the Teslas in story that piston engine powered car could be back on the road in under 5-8 minutes. Unlike some of the Teslas who had been there at least overnight.

Like I said previously, “Not ready for Prime Time.”
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drglnc
2 years ago

They can also be hard to get into when it’s super cold.

ZRX1200 wrote:

ford had this issue and it wasn't because of EV... it was on the F series trucks and door latches were freezing. it was so bad they had to do a recall.

not saying EVs and Lithium Battires don't have issues related to cold but just pointing out not all the issues tesla has are specific to them or EV...

for clarity, i would not buy a tesla even if it was 1/2 price and free maintenance for life and won't buy ANY all electric any time soon as they are not valid for the type of driving i need from a vehicle. maybe as a commuter/third care for just around town but that would be it.
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RayR
2 years ago
Good points here

Two Things You Can’t Use

By eric -January 15, 2024]

An interesting thing about EVs is that the two things they do better – in general – than cars that rely on engines rather than electricity are things that make EVs much worse, in a practical sense, than cars that rely on engines to make them go.

more...

https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2024/01/15/two-things-you-cant-use/ 

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Brewha
2 years ago

What’s true is if you run a piston engine powered car out of fuel all you have to do is add more fuel and you’re back on the road. If at a “refueling” station such as the Teslas sitting within reach of the actual fuel source as was the Teslas in story that piston engine powered car could be back on the road in under 5-8 minutes. Unlike some of the Teslas who had been there at least overnight.

Like I said previously, “Not ready for Prime Time.”

Abrignac wrote:



After a year and a half of owning/using a Tesla I have to chuckle at the "not ready for prime time" comments just like the science officers here that assert that EV's aren't viable.

I see what you are saying about charge time when someone puts themselves is a stupid situation. But that's kind of a thin nail to hang your hat on. Especially when the vast majority of owners change at home overnight and never have to visit a filling station.

I agree that if you need a Jeep, don't buy a Camry.
But most Jeep owner really only need a Camry....not that they would own one.
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Brewha
2 years ago

What do you think the market saturation point is when urban buyers slow?

ZRX1200 wrote:



Sorry Z, Really not sure what you are asking....
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Brewha
2 years ago
Honestly I have loved the anti-EV comments.

So many here who have no knowledge of EV's, never driven one, never looked into it, would not understand it if you gave them a road map, puffing out their chest and asserting "I would NEVER own an EV!"

Not even if it was cheaper to operate, more convenient to use, faster, beter in most respects - not me - no Lord!


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DrMaddVibe
2 years ago

Honestly I have loved the anti-EV comments.

So many here who have no knowledge of EV's, never driven one, never looked into it, would not understand it if you gave them a road map, puffing out their chest and asserting "I would NEVER own an EV!"

Not even if it was cheaper to operate, more convenient to use, faster, beter in most respects - not me - no Lord!


Brewha wrote:




Sounds like buyers remorse on your fart car purchase. Trying to soak others into the misery you're in.

You have one.

Ford, Toyota, GM and leasing/rental companies are taking massive losses trying to give them away and here you are with your dumbazz assertions.

Follow the facts.

You're a sucker that needs another booster!
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RayR
2 years ago
Yep...ready for prime time! Where do I sign up?

“This is Crazy, It’s a Disaster” – Public Charging Stations Turn into Electric ‘Car Graveyards’ in Bitter Chicago Cold (VIDEO)
by Cullen Linebarger Jan. 16, 2024 1:20 pm

Electric vehicle owners in the Chicago area have not been able to charge their overpriced method of transportation in the bitter cold this week, leaving scenes of dead electric cars littered across public charging stations.

It turns out buying a worthless car to virtue-signal for the environment has unintended consequences.One man, Tyler Beard, to the outlet he had been trying to recharge his Tesla at an Oak Brook Tesla supercharging station since Sunday afternoon.

Nothing. No juice. Still on zero percent. And this is like three hours being out here after being out here three hours yesterday.

But Beard was just one of dozens of Tesla owners trying and failing to power up their vehicles at this same Oak Brook charging station. Fox 32 Chicago noted the scene was reminiscent of long lines and abandoned cars at several other charging stations around the Chicago area.

More...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/01/this-is-crazy-its-disaster-public-charging-stations/ 

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Brewha
2 years ago

Sounds like buyers remorse on your fart car purchase. Trying to soak others into the misery you're in.

You have one.

Ford, Toyota, GM and leasing/rental companies are taking massive losses trying to give them away and here you are with your dumbazz assertions.

Follow the facts.

You're a sucker that needs another booster!

DrMaddVibe wrote:



Oh, it's worse than that DMV; as you have long prophesized the hour of the EV's draws nigh. And They are coming for you and yours and your little dog too!

The tarmack will be scorched from their EMF (whatever that is) and neighborhoods destroyed by their burning batteries.

Your freedom to choose gone with the wind - you honor as an American abridged.

And they will cause a cosmic rip in time and space - and leave a bunch of twinkie wrappers allover the place!

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Abrignac
2 years ago

Oh, it's worse than that DMV; as you have long prophesized the hour of the EV's draws nigh. And They are coming for you and yours and your little dog too!

The tarmack will be scorched from their EMF (whatever that is) and neighborhoods destroyed by their burning batteries.

Your freedom to choose gone with the wind - you honor as an American abridged.

And they will cause a cosmic rip in time and space - and leave a bunch of twinkie wrappers allover the place!

Brewha wrote:



You should have prefaced this entire post with: “ If it’s not too cold ….”
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DrMaddVibe
2 years ago

Oh, it's worse than that DMV; as you have long prophesized the hour of the EV's draws nigh. And They are coming for you and yours and your little dog too!

The tarmack will be scorched from their EMF (whatever that is) and neighborhoods destroyed by their burning batteries.

Your freedom to choose gone with the wind - you honor as an American abridged.

And they will cause a cosmic rip in time and space - and leave a bunch of twinkie wrappers allover the place!

Brewha wrote:




Reading and comprehension isn't in your wheelhouse. I strongly suggest you (and anyone else that is thinking his dumbazz last post is credible) go back and reread this thread and the other 2 in the OP.

What I'm opposed to is yet another government overreach. Another mandate. What lunacy is it to decree there will be no more gasoline/diesel powered vehicles...because.

You have stated you didn't buy it to save the environment. Great because the details show that it will be more destructive to the planet than what the planet currently uses and some developed nations are NEVER going to abolish them to favor EV trendy usage. Ever.

The rest of the post is either you high AF or your dog randomly stepping on your phone forming the gibberish you're proud of.

Once again, you blindly follow Pedo Joe off the cliff. Like Wily E.Coyote, blinking at the camera after the Road Runner's cloud dissipates, then there's the epic fall into the abyss with the little cloud of dust as you hit the earth. Poof. That is you to a T. You don't question, you blindly follow Pedo Joe wherever he goes and do whatever he tells you. Have you gotten rid of your AC and gas stove yet? You realize you have to because he said.

Grow a pair already and stop being a sheep.
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Abrignac
2 years ago
Electric vehicle batteries falling short during frigid temperatures
Cold weather slows the chemical and physical reactions that make lithium-ion batteries work, says a professor at Wayne State University.

From longer charging times to decreased driving range, electric vehicle owners are feeling the impact of freezing temperatures.

"I'm not going to lie, like, every day I have to charge," said Adeel Jamal, EV owner.

A resident of Northville, Michigan, Jamal travels about an hour daily to Wayne State University for school and to Dearborn for work, which is also about an hour from home. But in the last few days, Jamal has been paying more attention to the mileage.

"Especially in the cold, because I'm only getting a 140-mile range. I usually get 240," said Jamal.

During the frigid temperatures, the 20-year-old has been spending more time at a charging station as it has also taken longer to power up.

"I'm having my meal in my car, working on my laptop ... all while my car charges," he said.

According to a study by Recurrent Auto, all cars lose efficiency in cold weather. However, it's EV drivers who feel the pinch. Depending on the model, on average, an EV's range drops to around 40% to 70% of its normal range in freezing conditions, primarily due to low battery efficiency and a high demand for the vehicle's climate control.

A professor at Wayne State University, Dr. Caisheng Wang, says cold weather slows the chemical and physical reactions that make lithium-ion batteries work.

"Those lithium-ion batteries, there are electrolytes, so it's getting more difficult for lithium ions to move through from one electrode to another," said Wang.

The good news is that the decrease is temporary. Once the weather warms up, the battery is back to functioning optimally. Wang says the ideal temperature for a lithium-ion battery is between 68 and 140 degrees Fahrenheit.

So what can EV drivers do to make their car batteries more efficient in cold weather?

"If you have a closed-door garage, park your car there. When you turn on your car and see the mile range, if the temperature is really low ... give some safe margin there," said Wang.

Also, follow these steps:

- For faster charge, precondition your car by turning it on while charging.


- Once on the road, turn down the cabin heater and aim to use seat warmers and a heated steering wheel, as these features use less energy.

- Set your EV with a maximum charge setting of 70% or 80%. This way, the vehicle uses the energy from the wall instead of the battery to keep warm.

Meanwhile, summertime can also be stressful for EV owners. Experts say high temperatures can also damage batteries during charging. The golden rule is to park and charge your EV in a temperature-controlled environment.


This story was originally published by Faraz Javed and Michael Glover at Scripps News Detroit.




So basically EV’s suck in the cold. Don’t plan to drive to one’s favorite ski resort 200 miles away for a weekend soirée because:

1) if they don’t have an indoor charging facility you’re not going to be able to recharge your car for the trip home.
3) you’re gonna have to hope the drive up isn’t too cold or you’ll have to wear your mittens in the car because God forbid you turn the heater up full blast you may run out of juice 1/2 way up due to the added load of the heater combined with the climb up the mountain.

But it’s a GREAT idea to mandate the use of EV’s before a solution to this and other minor issues such as inadequate grid capacity to charge all these mandated vehicles has been developed?

Not ready for prime time.
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Brewha
2 years ago



So basically EV’s suck in the cold. Don’t plan to drive to one’s favorite ski resort 200 miles away for a weekend soirée because:

1) if they don’t have an indoor charging facility you’re not going to be able to recharge your car for the trip home.
3) you’re gonna have to hope the drive up isn’t too cold or you’ll have to wear your mittens in the car because God forbid you turn the heater up full blast you may run out of juice 1/2 way up due to the added load of the heater combined with the climb up the mountain.

But it’s a GREAT idea to mandate the use of EV’s before a solution to this and other minor issues such as inadequate grid capacity to charge all these mandated vehicles has been developed?

Not ready for prime time.

Abrignac wrote:



I'm pretty sure it is only in a fantasy world where anyone is mandating the use of EVs outside of a golf course.

There are a handful of states that are planning to stop the sales of certain types new gas vehicles - but his is in the coming decades if it happens at all. Make no mistake here, preventing the sale of some gas vehicles in not mandating the use of EVs.

But it is a great battle cry for those that hate green initiatives: "THEY will MAKE you drive an EV".
Nevermind that it is a lie.



It is true enough that today, under the circumstances of the article EV's are a poor choice - as are motorcycles.
If fact today - EVs really are suited to those who would charge at home. And don't drive hundreds of miles every day in sub-zero temperatures.

And if I live in chicago and liked to drive 200 miles to a ski lodge, I'd have a Jeep not a car.
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DrafterX
2 years ago
Obama eats puppy-dogs.... 😟
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Brewha
2 years ago
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KingoftheCove
2 years ago
Off topic…………a bit.

But, the golf course where I work went BACK to gas powered golf carts almost 2 hears ago, because the electric ones basically sucked azz and cost too much in employee time, and the membership HATED them.
Now granted, our course has one of the, if not THE hilliest cart paths in the nation, and it can get cold too.
Sooooo glad we got rid of those electric pieces of crap.

But hey, on a largely flat course in San Diego, or a Phoenix suburb, electric carts are probably fine.
Just like an EV is a good option, for some people, in certain situations.

But me thinks EVs have a loooooong way to go as far as replacing gas/diesel vehicles, and will probaly never do so inho.
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Brewha
2 years ago

Off topic…………a bit.

But, the golf course where I work went BACK to gas powered golf carts almost 2 hears ago, because the electric ones basically sucked azz and cost too much in employee time, and the membership HATED them.
Now granted, our course has one of the, if not THE hilliest cart paths in the nation, and it can get cold too.
Sooooo glad we got rid of those electric pieces of crap.

But hey, on a largely flat course in San Diego, or a Phoenix suburb, electric carts are probably fine.
Just like an EV is a good option, for some people, in certain situations.

But me thinks EVs have a loooooong way to go as far as replacing gas/diesel vehicles, and will probaly never do so inho.

KingoftheCove wrote:



Had more than one electric golf cart die on me out on the course. The Gas just seem better. The eclectic ones seem like "1950's high tech".

For most homeowners that have a normal commute, EVs are already better than gas cars - but people tend to listen to opinions in the press rather than look for themselves. If you look over this thread, you'll see lots of opinions form people who never looked into EV's, never drove one and certainly never owned one.....but they saw this really good Joe Rogen YouTube.....
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ZRX1200
2 years ago
The problem I had with electric carts when I worked at a golf course was they didn’t have as good of tires as the gas Marshall cart. So when we drove downhill on the 16th hole when it was wet it was harder to do 360°’s all the way down the fairway. Especially on the last men’s group of the month where they had beer and wine set up every 3rd hole.

To be fair, we farted in both pretty regular.

197 KOC?
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DrMaddVibe
2 years ago

I'm pretty sure it is only in a fantasy world where anyone is mandating the use of EVs outside of a golf course.

Brewha wrote:



"Some people love electric vehicles (EVs). They drive them relatively short distances to work, charge them overnight in their garages and never stop for gas. Others, due to cost, convenience and climate, prefer gasoline-powered vehicles.

Thankfully, Americans today still have that choice. But if the Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) latest proposed rule on car emissions is finalized as written, they won’t for much longer.

The new rule would require 60 percent of vehicles sold in the U.S. to be battery-powered electric by 2030 and 67 percent by 2032, compared to just 6 percent today. This would effectively eliminate the choice of gasoline-powered cars for American drivers and make the economy more dependent on China, a source of the minerals needed to create their batteries."

https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/4041892-bidens-plan-to-phase-out-gas-powered-cars-is-all-pain-for-consumers-and-no-gain/


There are a handful of states that are planning to stop the sales of certain types new gas vehicles - but his is in the coming decades if it happens at all. Make no mistake here, preventing the sale of some gas vehicles in not mandating the use of EVs.

Brewha wrote:



"The U.S. government plans to end purchases of gas-powered vehicles by 2035 in a move to lower emissions and promote electric cars under an executive order signed by President Joe Biden

The government owns more than 650,000 vehicles and purchases about 50,000 annually. Biden's executive order said that light-duty vehicles acquired by the government will be emission-free by 2027.

Total federal government operations will reduce emissions by 65% by 2030 under the plan. The government will seek to consume electricity only from carbon-free and non-polluting sources on a net annual basis by 2030 and have net-zero emissions by 2050."


https://news.yahoo.com/biden-pledges-end-gas-powered-184830947.html


But it is a great battle cry for those that hate green initiatives: "THEY will MAKE you drive an EV". Nevermind that it is a lie.

Brewha wrote:



https://youtu.be/LfCazCFKb5w?si=vbT6xK_lZuJf4o2P



It is true enough that today, under the circumstances of the article EV's are a poor choice - as are motorcycles. If fact today - EVs really are suited to those who would charge at home. And don't drive hundreds of miles every day in sub-zero temperatures.

Brewha wrote:



Pretty funny you decide to take this line now. You've NEVER said it was for people that wanted to start a fire in their garage before. Just like insurance rates are rising on EV's...so will home insurance for those that have them as well. Watch...it's going to happen!

And if I live in chicago and liked to drive 200 miles to a ski lodge, I'd have a Jeep not a car.

Brewha wrote:



Not my monkey, not my circus. All you, but you should get a booster first.
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Brewha
2 years ago


Pretty funny you decide to take this line now. You've NEVER said it was for people that wanted to start a fire in their garage before. Just like insurance rates are rising on EV's...so will home insurance for those that have them as well. Watch...it's going to happen!



Not my monkey, not my circus. All you, but you should get a booster first.

DrMaddVibe wrote:



That's a lot of maybe, maybes and "we want to's" from politicians - remember when they also said they would build a wall and Mexico would pay for it?

Right - on your planet gas cars never burn.

And my tesla insurance is about 65% of the cost of my wifes Caddy. You really don't get this do you?

And what make you think I haven't gotten my booster shots? I have people around me a care about, I take care of my health, and I'm responsable where others are concerned. And I don't live in fear the if I get vaccinated the government is slipping a microchip in me.

Enjoy your ivermectin.
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