rfenst
2 years ago

Existing home sales.
Technology.
Manufacturing.

Next up: regional banks.

We’ve been in a rolling recession for a while.

HockeyDad wrote:


Define recession apples to apples.
rfenst
2 years ago

CRE!

You can't lockdown the entire nation and not have some residual effect to it.

Malls = ghost towns

Downtowns = ghost towns

Any high rise USA = ghost towns


"Someone" is paying for the heat/air, cafeteria, dry cleaning, gyms at most corporate work places. Work from home isn't the "thing" needed. Where I work they estimate they're only getting 60% productivity from the work from homers. They sent out letters the past few weeks notifying them that the train is leaving the station. With or without them. They're NOT playing. I've been privvy to decisions on how to deal with the mass layoffs if they have to go there.

DrMaddVibe wrote:


WSJ says the first employees to lose their job is remote workers at an increased rate/chance around 35%
Abrignac
2 years ago

CRE!

You can't lockdown the entire nation and not have some residual effect to it.

Malls = ghost towns

Downtowns = ghost towns

Any high rise USA = ghost towns


"Someone" is paying for the heat/air, cafeteria, dry cleaning, gyms at most corporate work places. Work from home isn't the "thing" needed. Where I work they estimate they're only getting 60% productivity from the work from homers. They sent out letters the past few weeks notifying them that the train is leaving the station. With or without them. They're NOT playing. I've been privvy to decisions on how to deal with the mass layoffs if they have to go there.

DrMaddVibe wrote:




Where are these ghost towns you speak of?

In the past 3 weeks I’ve passed Tanger Outlet Malls in Nashville, TN; Barstow, CA; Gonzales, LA and Foley, AL. Saw plenty of cars and plenty of shoppers at each location.

Drove through downtown Bozeman, MT yesterday. It was snowing like hell. I got stuck twice trying to get backed in to a dock to get loaded. But that didn’t stop the people from going downtown. Saw plenty driving and walking around while my trailer was getting loaded. Over the past few weeks I’ve seen plenty of people in the downtown areas of Davenport, IA, Graham, NC; El Paso, TX; Baton Rouge, LA; Oklahoma City, OK.

Can’t speak for the high rises since I couldn’t see inside of any of them. But the ones I did see along I-40, I-80, I-95, I-75, I-15 and I-10 seemed to have plenty of cars parked around them. Saw plenty of lights shining through the windows with non-reflecting glass.

It’s amazing what one sees when they drive 500-750 miles a day going coast to coast and north to south.

What would Henny Penny say?

As far as “tele-commuting” big joke. I know a few people who do it. They’ve all figured out a way to game the system to make it look like they’re online more than they really are.
HockeyDad
2 years ago

Define recession apples to apples.

rfenst wrote:



A rolling recession, or rolling adjustment recession, occurs when the recession only affects certain sectors of the economy at a time. As one sector enters recovery, the slowdown will ‘roll’ into another part of the economy. On the whole, rolling recessions occur regardless of nationwide or statewide economic recession, and the effects may not be in the national economic measures (e.g., gross domestic product (GDP)). The recession of 1960–61 in the United States is an example of a rolling-adjustment recession.


Now I’ll define inflation apples to apples.

You had enough money to buy two apples. Now it will only buy one apple but will be called Bidenomics!
HockeyDad
2 years ago


As far as “tele-commuting” big joke. I know a few people who do it. They’ve all figured out a way to game the system to make it look like they’re online more than they really are.

Abrignac wrote:



Telecommuting can be very successful in some industries. I’ve telecommuted for 22 of the last 25 years. My company has many remote workers and when Covid hit we permanently transferred many more over to remote work and closed entire offices and sold off millions in real estate.

My wife’s company was a more traditional everyone in the office company and they’ve struggled to get people back in the office in the California locations. In Houston everybody is three days a week in the office. Part of the issue is for many jobs they figured out that they could be 100% remote. For many jobs a remote option is impossible.


As for commercial real estate, there are still massive vacancies. San Francisco is 30% vacant. One of the problems this creates is much of the financing comes from regional banks. A lot of regional banks also have a ton of assets in treasuries paying 2% yet skyrocketing interest rates now have rates at 5%.
HockeyDad
2 years ago
Snap, the Santa Monica company behind Snapchat and the recently recalled “Pixy Flying Camera,” announced a plan to lay off hundreds of workers on Monday. Snap joins a flood of California tech companies slashing their workforces this year.

The social media giant will give pink slips to around 10% of its full-time workers, according to a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Based on the 5,367-person full-time headcount the company reported as of September, the layoff will hit more than 500 staffers.
Asked by SFGATE about the reasoning behind the layoffs, Snap spokesperson Russ Caditz-Peck said in an email, “We are reorganizing our team to reduce hierarchy and promote in-person collaboration.” Tech companies ranging in size and age have cited desires to cut back "hierarchy" when laying off workers over the past two years, often blaming pandemic-era over-hiring.
Abrignac
2 years ago

Telecommuting can be very successful in some industries. I’ve telecommuted for 22 of the last 25 years. My company has many remote workers and when Covid hit we permanently transferred many more over to remote work and closed entire offices and sold off millions in real estate.

My wife’s company was a more traditional everyone in the office company and they’ve struggled to get people back in the office in the California locations. In Houston everybody is three days a week in the office. Part of the issue is for many jobs they figured out that they could be 100% remote. For many jobs a remote option is impossible.


As for commercial real estate, there are still massive vacancies. San Francisco is 30% vacant. One of the problems this creates is much of the financing comes from regional banks. A lot of regional banks also have a ton of assets in treasuries paying 2% yet skyrocketing interest rates now have rates at 5%.

HockeyDad wrote:



An over-generalized view on my part. I should have noted that the people I was referring to are mostly clerical and secretarial. The ones I know tend to sit by the pool with a glass of wine or cocktail while on the clock.
HockeyDad
2 years ago
DocuSign, the San Francisco-based maker of tools for filling out forms online, announced Tuesday that it is giving pink slips to 400 employees. The layoff round is the company’s third major job cut since September 2022.

The tech company revealed the layoff round, set to impact 6% of DocuSign’s staff, in a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission submitted Tuesday. In a press release, DocuSign described the reduction as a “restructuring plan” and said “the majority of impacted positions” were among the sales and marketing teams.
rfenst
2 years ago
The Confusingly Strong Economy Told in Three Stories
The plausible explanations for the economy’s apparent immunity to high interest rates each lead to different outcomes for the markets

WSJ
Why America’s economy proved surprisingly resilient to the biggest rise in interest rates in 40 years isn’t a question of merely historical interest. Depending on the explanation you prefer for the unusual strength, you should be piling into stocks, worrying about government debt or fearing recession.

Uncertainty about which of the three is right helps to explain why no one—including the Federal Reserve—seems to be able to settle on a single story about what’s going on.

I see three plausible explanations for the economy’s apparent immunity to high interest rates:

Private-sector productivity, measured as output per hour, has been rising strongly since the first quarter of 2022 when the Fed belatedly started to increase interest rates. At the end of last year, it passed its pandemic peak, which anyway was a figment of statistics due to the distortions of the lockdown economy.

The bullish story is that productivity has been boosted by workers moving en masse to better-paid and more productive jobs. Rather than flipping burgers, recent graduates have been in demand as the economy runs hot and unemployment stays near half-century lows.

Corporate investment has also rebounded much faster than it did after the 2007-2009 recession, now 10% higher than its prepandemic peak even when adjusted for inflation, against just 5% by the end of 2012, the same length of time from the 2009 low. The benefits of artificial intelligence, if they come through, might allow productivity to keep rising.

The bearish story is that productivity only rose because supply chains snarled by the pandemic were finally freed up, and that isn’t going to happen again.

The gains in productivity that have come through have allowed the economy to grow even as inflation comes down. If technology allows productivity to keep rising fast, the economy should be better able to resist higher interest rates—and stocks do well in the future even as the Fed keeps rates high.

The government financed everything, so of course it has been fine (sell Treasurys!)
Fiscal spending is also a good explanation for what happened. The Federal government ran a record peacetime deficit during the pandemic, and last year increased its deficit to 6.2% of GDP even as the economy grew strongly. Combine subsidies for anything with a hint of green with leftover stimulus savings and it is easy to see how the economy could resist higher interest rates.

Unfortunately, this can’t end well: Either the government will rein in spending, removing support and so most likely slowing growth, or it won’t, and higher borrowing will keep pushing up bond yields. Both are worth worrying about.

Monetary policy is taking longer than normal to bite (eventually it will, threatening growth)
The ineffectiveness of rate increases so far is obvious. Far from reducing demand, the economy grew faster as rates rose further. Much of that was just luck. But the risk is that the impact of rates on the economy hasn’t been abolished, merely delayed.

With hindsight, it is easy to see why higher rates didn’t immediately reduce corporate investment or household consumption. Big companies and homeowners had locked in record amounts of debt at record-low rates. Instead of Fed tightening hurting their income, major corporations and people with a mortgage kept paying the same rate but earned more in interest on their savings.

American nonfinancial companies are estimated by the Bureau of Economic Analysis to be paying about 40% less in interest, net of interest on savings, than they were before the Fed’s rate rises started. This shouldn’t be taken too literally, since recent data are calculated as the leftovers after adding up government, consumer and foreign interest, not measured directly. Still, assuming the direction of the data is right, it is the precise opposite of what the Fed’s been trying to achieve.

The U.S. economy gained strength during the year, as Americans continued to spend money, giving the economy an unexpected boost. WSJ’s Dion Rabouin digs into the latest GDP report to explain the most important details for investors in 2024. Photo: Frederic J. Brown/AFP/Getty Images
Not everyone in the U.S. benefited. The U.S. has a two-speed economy, something I’ll come back to in future columns. Small companies and those with poor credit ratings tend to have shorter-dated debt that needs to be refinanced at higher rates or have floating-rate debt. Individuals who borrowed on credit cards or to buy high-price secondhand cars are struggling, with delinquency rates now above prepandemic levels—and the young and poor have the biggest problems, according to the New York Fed.

As time passes and rates stay high, more and more debt needs to be refinanced. More borrowers who put off moving to avoid having to take a new mortgage at much higher rates will bite the bullet. More companies have to repay their bonds. And more economic activity that would have been financed by debt at lower rates just doesn’t happen.

For now, investors aren’t concerned that a delayed impact of higher rates will turn the two-speed economy into an overall slowdown. Even the worst-rated CCC junk-bond borrowers only yield about the same—13.5%—as they did in December 2019. Interest rates are higher, but offset by investors demanding a lower spread over safe Treasurys to compensate for extra risk.

SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS
What is your explanation for the health of the American economy despite high interest rates? Join the conversation below.

The danger is that the mess in the slow-speed part of the economy drags down the rest. This could be transmitted via trouble in highly-leveraged private equity, commercial real estate or lenders such as regional banks particularly exposed to weaker borrowers. But it seems more likely just to be a slow burn as delinquencies and defaults steadily rise.

The problem for investors is that all three explanations of recent history are attractive and lead to completely different predictions if they continue to hold: Solid growth, government debt bomb or hard landing.

In the past few months, the markets have swung from one extreme to the other, and back again. Expect that to continue. Nobody can get their story straight.
HockeyDad
2 years ago
You should be piling into stocks, worrying about government debt, AND fearing recession.

The only question is timing.
DrMaddVibe
2 years ago
And just like all if the Biden Administration economic numbers...the revision will wipe away all the gains months later. Itty bitty headlines on Page 11...buried under the Dear Abby column.
HockeyDad
2 years ago
Hershey announced layoffs Thursday after reporting its quarterly earnings were hit by the soaring cost of cocoa and inflation-weary shoppers who cut back on the company’s expensive chocolates and candies.

The Pennsylvania-based company said it would slash 5% of its workforce, resulting in as much as $60 million in severance.

It wasn’t immediately clear how many jobs among the company’s workforce of roughly 18,075 full-time and nearly 2,000 part-time staffers would be affected, or what teams would be impacted.

“We do not expect significant disruption or impact to our employee base with impact being less than 5% of our workforce,” a Hershey spokesperson told The Post on Thursday.

The Reese’s Peanut Butter Cups-maker said that the layoffs are part of a new multi-year productivity initiative to generate long-term savings as the company looks to offset declining sales in the face of rising cocoa, sugar and labor costs.

The move is intended to generate pre-tax costs of $200 million to $250 million from inception through 2026.
frankj1
2 years ago
hopefully corporate bonuses won't be affected...HA!
Abrignac
2 years ago

hopefully corporate bonuses won't be affected...HA!

frankj1 wrote:



Let’s hope they are robust. That means the company did well.
HockeyDad
2 years ago

hopefully corporate bonuses won't be affected...HA!

frankj1 wrote:



I’m a little worried about this quarter.
RayR
2 years ago
I heard the soaring cost of cocoa is being caused by climate change, due to El Niño forecasted for next season and too much rain in West Africa. The price of cocoa beans has reached over $4,200 per metric ton, the highest in more than four decades.
HockeyDad
2 years ago

While testifying before the Senate Banking Committee on Thursday, Yellen admitted that prices for most items are unlikely to return to where they were before the inflation crisis began in 2021.

"I don't expect the level of prices to go down. Some prices will be higher than they were before the pandemic, and will stay higher," Yellen said during a contentious exchange with Sen. John Kennedy, R-La. "But wages have risen considerably, and the pace of price increases has now receded over the past six months."

Prices for everything including groceries, new cars and health insurance surged in 2021 and 2022 as the result of rampant inflation, which was caused by pandemic-induced disruptions in the global supply chain, an extremely tight labor market and increased consumer demand fueled in part by stimulus cash.

But even though the pace of inflation has cooled sharply in recent months, prices for most goods have not yet receded — and are unlikely to do so, Yellen said.

"We don't have to get the prices down, because wages are going up," she said, noting that the median worker in the U.S. can buy the same basket of goods as they did in 2019 with $1,400 leftover. "So Americans, on average, are better off in spite of the fact that the level of prices is higher."

Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell echoed a similar sentiment in an interview with "60 Minutes" that aired on Sunday.

HockeyDad
2 years ago
I’m sure most would agree that the pay raises they got over the last few years outpaced inflation!
RayR
2 years ago
There are 3 kinds of lies...Lies, Damn Lies, and Government Statistics.
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