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frankj1
Herf-A-Holic

2 years ago

#21

The inverse of this is if you disagree with what Trump said, you are committing to send money and troops to fight in a NATO war even if that country spent nothing on their defense. So I ask…..who you sending? I’m looking for family member names.

HockeyDad wrote:

which country spent nothing? The Grand Duchy of Fenwick (hoping somebody remembers The Mouse That Roared)

frankj1
Herf-A-Holic

2 years ago

#22

Covid?

HockeyDad wrote:

nope.
Holocaust.

HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

2 years ago

#23

which country spent nothing? The Grand Duchy of Fenwick (hoping somebody remembers The Mouse That Roared)

frankj1 wrote:

As t turns out the ones that spend the most border Russia and are in the former sphere of influence. So who you sending?

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frankj1
Herf-A-Holic

2 years ago

#24

As t turns out the ones that spend the most border Russia and are in the former sphere of influence. So who you sending?

HockeyDad wrote:

Probably no one will hafta send anyone if Russia/Trump aren't able to end the resistance.

Remember how they sold the nuke as the ultimate peace weapon. When was the last time you heard sirens telling you to duck and cover, or not to eat snow cuz Russian "fall-out" was in it?

Decades.

HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

2 years ago

#25

Diuck cover, and hold. Same drill for earthquakes!

8trackdisco
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

2 years ago

#26

Well stay upset at him 8, you’re being a good voter.

Like DMV said that thread didn’t age well.

I’ve been here since W was in office and when engaged in these conversations I try to keep the filter of my time here with the responses of the past and present in mind.

Keep pressing us unworthy voters with poisoned questions, you either get the answer you want to justify your stance or claim high ground for being more intellectually honest by answering your question.

ZRX1200 wrote:

Poison questions? More like a poison candidate. Wondered where your line and others would be. Didn’t take long. HD gave the most comprehensive answer. He answered and explained his Yes Answer. MACS didn’t answer it as much, saying he was interested in the context the words were spoken. He hasn’t followed up.

You guys are smart enough to pick either Yes I agree with Trump because….. or No, I don’t agree with Trump because….

You and DMV are working the filibuster and non answer routes, which is the most disappointing of all. Like your burning out your clutch while applying the gas. Like cyborgs waiting for their Cheeto programmer to tell you what to say.

For two decades (a little less so in the last year or so) I thought of you two as being authentic, American originals. Instead of three, it’s become two dimensional personas.

Trump good
Biden bad

You are both better than that.

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Abrignac
Herf-A-Holic

2 years ago

#27

8trackdisco wrote:

I think part of it has to do with the choices given.

Chris Christie - A never was, never will be.
Nikki Haley - Accused of being a globalist, but yet no actual proof of any nefarious activity
Asa Hutchinson - A dinosaur who came out of nowhere
Vivek Ramaswamy - A tech billionaire with no compelling message other than being a Trump cheerleader
Ron DeSantis - A political opportunist with a penchant for grandstanding
Tim Scott - A decent person who lacks national appeal
Mike Pence - Hated by far right for breaking with Trump

Farticus
Enthusiast

2 years ago

#28

I disagree with what Rapey McFraud said about NATO. It was reckless and dangerous, with no real value.

As for the comments that say he was kidding when he says things like he did about grabbing ****, let’s not forget that he was found guilty of doing just that and fined for continuing to publicly lie about it. Yes, the court ruled he did it. It’s just true. When he said it he meant it because he had done it. One proved in court, but likely part of his lifestyle based on the accusations routinely dismissed in here that would never be dismissed for slick Willy.

Some in here, conveniently haven’t read the actual cases because it’s easier to listen to what people tell them to say or they simply can’t understand the cases. And that is being kind.

There is no way for anybody with any intellectual integrity to be OK with what he said, cute deflections aside.You can be against NATO, you may want the NATO partners to pay more, but what he said was absolutely irresponsible for anybody who could remotely be close to power If you are OK with it, you are not be a Republican. Certainly not a Reagan Republican. You are a RINO like Trump.

If you say, you want to see the actual comments in context, but haven’t been able to do so you are either really dumb or really lazy. And you know it

It used to be cute when people defended the rapist by saying oh, he’s just being him, and he talks differently Now it is dangerous and shows a high-level of ignorance. Unfortunately, sometimes that ignorance is intentional.

Facts are hell of a drug. Choosing not to recognize them doesn’t make you any less fucked up, It just means you have no chance of recovery.

I am Farticus!

frankj1
Herf-A-Holic

2 years ago

#29

poisoning the blood of our country...that one is special for me.

Burner02
Herf-A-Holic

2 years ago

#30

Outgoing Dutch PM tells Europe to stop 'whining and nagging about Trump'
Trump came under fire this week for saying the U.S. would not honor its NATO commitments
By Chris Pandolfo, Fox News, Feb 17, 2024

Outgoing Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte, who is likely to be the next secretary-general of NATO, urged fellow European leaders to stop "whining" about former President Trump.

The blunt admonition comes days after the GOP 2024 front-runner suggested the U.S. should not honor its NATO commitments if European countries do not increase their defense contribution to the North Atlantic alliance. Trump's comments sparked outrage throughout Europe and provoked an immediate condemnation from President Biden's White House.

"We should stop moaning and whining and nagging about Trump," Rutte said Saturday at the Munich Security Conference.

"It's up to the Americans. I'm not an American, I cannot vote in the U.S. We have to work with whoever is on the dance floor," he added.

He also said it was in the continent's interests to increase support for Ukraine against Russia's invasion.

Rutte is the front-runner to succeed NATO secretary-general Jens Stoltenberg, who will step down in October, according to Reuters. He has said he would not campaign for the job.

Stoltenberg was among those who lambasted Trump's comments this week, stating that the forme president's rhetoric "undermines" the security of its members.

"The whole idea of NATO is that an attack on one ally will trigger a response from the whole alliance, and as long as we stand behind that message together, we prevent any military attack on any ally," Stoltenberg said at a press conference Wednesday.

He continued, "Any suggestion that we are not standing up for each other, that we are not going to protect each other, that does undermine the security of all of us."

The warning came after Trump offered harsh words for NATO allies at a campaign rally last week, going so far as to suggest that the U.S. would not defend NATO allies that do not contribute their full share.

Trump recalled a conversation he had with the president "of a big country," who he says asked him if they did not increase their defense contribution to the North Atlantic alliance "and we’re attacked by Russia, will you protect us?"

"NATO was busted until I came along," Trump said. "I said, ‘Everybody’s gonna pay.' They said, ‘Well, if we don’t pay, are you still going to protect us?' I said, 'Absolutely not.' They couldn't believe the answer."

While Stoltenberg expressed concern at Trump's remarks, the former president's comment did spark a rush to confirm member countries' contributions in the coming year.

The NATO chief announced that 18 of the alliance's 31 members are on track to meet their pledges of contributing 2% of GDP to the group. European states are on track to contribute $380 billion this year, and Germany will meet its 2% pledge for the first time since the Cold War.

Rutte suggested that focusing on Trump's comments only serves to distract from supporting Ukraine and meeting NATO's commitments.

"And all that whining and moaning about Trump. I hear that constantly over the last couple of days. Let's stop doing that," Rutte said, adding that after talking with U.S. politicians in Munich he was "cautiously optimistic" that Congress will pass the national security supplemental package with funding for Ukraine.

Abrignac
Herf-A-Holic

2 years ago

#31

Trump still suffers from two debilitating illnesses; Diarrhea of the Mouth and Constipation of the Brain.

A more sensible statement would have been:

“A treaty is a contract between two or more entities. That contract spells out certain obligations that MUST be fulfilled by all parties. One of those obligations is a financial commitment. If (insert country) wishes for the USA and other NATO countries to assist in its defense then that country must meet its financial obligation to NATO. Failure to do so calls into question that member nations commitment to the treaty.”

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DrMaddVibe
Herf-A-Holic

2 years ago

#32

Wellllllllll (Judge Smails voice) we’re waiaiaiaiaiting!

DMV,
Do you agree with Trump that if NATO members have fallen behind on their 2% of GDP to be invested in their military, Russia 🇷🇺 can do “whatever the hell they want to them”?

Sure hope Canada isn’t underfunded. I’m practically a border state.

8trackdisco wrote:

I do not agree with that statement he made. I firmly believe though that it was tempered with ice cold reality of if you want eggs, keep your chickens safe. NATO is a fustercluck where you have Islamofascists acting as chairpeople for Human Rights. Do I agree that 7th Century beliefs hold up now? No. Everything about them goes against any kind of maturation the World has accomplished from drinking water to women's rights to public execution. Yet NATO in its forms exists. Seeing as how it's always US money and US blood devoted to all the ills NATO can muster why bother having or belonging to an institution that is inherently bent on the destruction of the nation that's always giving?

That all said, wishing nations into NATO that want war isn't a very bright idea for any coalition to defend.

Had no idea my opinion on anything outside my own business was that important. Next time send me a PM!

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Brewha
Herf-A-Holic

2 years ago

#33

It's not a secret that Trump loves Putin and wants to get in bed with Russia. He already encourages them to do whatever the hell they want. Dictators do stick together - at least at first.

MACS
Herf-A-Holic

2 years ago

#34

Yeah... Trump was the "dictator". Which political opponent was he prosecuting in multiple states, again?

Whose home did he have the FBI raid?

Brewha
Herf-A-Holic

2 years ago

#35

Yeah... Trump was the "dictator". Which political opponent was he prosecuting in multiple states, again?

Whose home did he have the FBI raid?

MACS wrote:

Not all of us believe that the law always wrong and Trump is always innocent.

We leave that to you.

HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

2 years ago

#36

Not all of us believe that the law always wrong and Trump is always innocent.

We leave that to you.

Brewha wrote:

You dodged the question.

Brewha
Herf-A-Holic

2 years ago

#37

You dodged the question.

HockeyDad wrote:

The spin that Biden ordered the 91 felony charges across 4 states, multiple fraud convictions, the E. Jean Carroll judgments, etc., etc., is nothing more than pitiful denial by the MAGA folks - of his obvious guilt. Which they do not care about.

And when he refused to return the stolen documents the FBI raided Trumps house.

OR - maybe Trump is a victim.
A pitiful, accordion playing, abused, overweight, victim who can't keep himself out of court.

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HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

2 years ago

#38

I thought you said Trump was a dictator yet he did not do any dictator stuff.

Then you cited a bunch of dictator stuff done to Trump and said it’s all just a coincidence.

Brewha
Herf-A-Holic

2 years ago

#39

I thought you said Trump was a dictator yet he did not do any dictator stuff.

Then you cited a bunch of dictator stuff done to Trump and said it’s all just a coincidence.

HockeyDad wrote:

Yes I said that he was I dictator. I did not say he was any good at it.

No, not coincidental. These things were an eventuality….cause he’s a grifter.

8trackdisco
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

2 years ago

#40

DrMaddVibe wrote:

Happy you followed through. That is what I'm looking for from people- especially those who support Trump. Want see see critcal thinking and thoughts that belong to the poster themselves.

Because I generally have spent less time on the political forum. i dont know how often people are in lockstep with everything Trump- or for that matter Biden supporters, actually break from their leader. Or, why they agree with something which is completely assinine.

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