Mr. Jones
2 years ago
This time in ENGLAND...
THE JUDGE IS MAKING TRUMP PAY FOR
STEELE's legal expenses in his legal suit against the STEELE DOSSIER LIAR...

I'M NOT SURE HOW TRUMP F##KED THIS ONE UP??
BUT HE DID...
Mr. Jones
2 years ago
Christopher Steele railroads Dumbo trump lawyers
FOR His MI-6 FIRM " ORBIS " INTERNATIONAL...

HOW DO YOU LOSE A CASE WHERE THE GUY LIES ABOUT YOU and invents false dossiers????

Only a Trump loser bottom of the barrel lawyer graduating #728 from THE 1998 HARVARD LAW SCHOOL CLASS OF #728 LAWYERS....
Mr. Jones
2 years ago
"ORBIS BUSINESS INTELLIGENCE , LTD."
CHRISTOPHER STEELE'S COMPANY

BEATS DONALD TRUMP....
IN COURT... ON A SLAM DUNK CASE YOU COULD NEVER LOSE ...
EXCEPT FOR TRUMPS LAWYERS WHO LOST IT BADLY...
Mr. Jones
2 years ago
LIKE I SAID IN A PREVIOUS THREAD.....

THIS TRUMP PERSECUTION IS A C.L.A.S.S.I.C. EAST GERMAN STASI "HYBRID FBI-SSG GANGSTALKING" CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE
🍊 MENG ....

DISCREDIT, HARRASS INCESSANTLY, STEAL ALL HIS MONEY, SUE HIM UNTIL HE LOSES ALL HIS WEALTH, TAKD AWAY ALL HIS REALESTATE HOLDING BY ANY AND ALL MEANS AVAILABLE...EVEN IF IT IS ALL A FALSE LIE BUT MAKE IT TRUE IN THE PRINTED MEDIA STORIES...
Make the targeted individual penniless and unable to earn a living....


This is exactly what is happening to TRUMP...AND HE DOESN'T EVEN REALIZE IT AT ALL....

I DO.... I LIVED THROUGH 6++ YEARS OF THAT FELONY CRIME COMMITED BY FBI-SSG AGENTS NIGHTMARE AND 9++ MURDER ATTEMPTS...
THEY ARE LEAVING THAT DIMENSION OUT OF HIS HYBRID SCENARIO...
FOR GOOD REASON/ ITS CALLED SECRET SERVICE PROTECTION 24/7/365 COVERAGE...
RobertHively
2 years ago
^

Considering most, if not all, former presidents are criminals, this does seem politically motivated.
MACS
2 years ago
Same people telling you Trump overvalued his assets are the ones telling you that drug-addled Hunter Biden's "art" is worth anything at all.

But those people aren't rational, and can't see it.
Gene363
2 years ago

Same people telling you Trump overvalued his assets are the ones telling you that drug-addled Hunter Biden's "art" is worth anything at all.

But those people aren't rational, and can't see it.

MACS wrote:



They don't want to "see' it.
rfenst
2 years ago

Same people telling you Trump overvalued his assets are the ones telling you that drug-addled Hunter Biden's "art" is worth anything at all.

But those people aren't rational, and can't see it.

MACS wrote:


You don't believe he lied about the value of his assets to get loans?
He implicitly admitted to it by arguing... "but no one was damaged,"
If any one of us did what he did to get just one single home mortgage loan, we would be prosecuted too.
HockeyDad
2 years ago

You don't believe he lied about the value of his assets to get loans?
He implicitly admitted to it by arguing... "but no one was damaged,"
If any one of us did what he did to get just one single home mortgage loan, we would be prosecuted too.

rfenst wrote:




Nope. In both cases the lender does their due diligence and denies the loan.

You get prosecuted if you run for President again after the rulers thought you were dispatched.
rfenst
2 years ago

Nope. In both cases the lender does their due diligence and denies the loan.

You get prosecuted if you run for President again after the rulers thought you were dispatched.

HockeyDad wrote:


Is that really how it works with false documents and loan applications?
I must have missed like 35+ years of the law.
HockeyDad
2 years ago

Is that really how it works with false documents and loan applications?
I must have missed like 35+ years of the law.

rfenst wrote:



Ever apply for a loan and get rejected? It actually happens.
ZRX1200
2 years ago
I’m sure all the real estate people that were appalled by this were just stupid liars….or was it because they weren’t lawyers they aren’t smart enough to know stuff?
Mr. Jones
2 years ago
I'm Totally positive that Trump never divulged
The GREASE ($$$'S IN BRIBES HE PAID TO THE LOAN OFFICERS AND THE MAFIA AND THE LABOR UNIONS ) TO GET ANYTHING BUILT IN NYC YOU HAVE TO BE A CRIMINAL AND KNOW CRIMINALS AND PAYOFF LOAN OFFICERS, THE MAFIA AND ALL LABOR UNIONS...
MACS
2 years ago

You don't believe he lied about the value of his assets to get loans?
He implicitly admitted to it by arguing... "but no one was damaged,"
If any one of us did what he did to get just one single home mortgage loan, we would be prosecuted too.

rfenst wrote:



I believe it is the banks responsibility to look into it before they loan the money. I also believe if there is no aggrieved party, let sleeping dogs lie... he borrowed money, he paid it back with interest. Who got hurt? More importantly... who gets paid?

The State. I. E. democrats in NY.
DrMaddVibe
2 years ago

I believe it is the banks responsibility to look into it before they loan the money. I also believe if there is no aggrieved party, let sleeping dogs lie... he borrowed money, he paid it back with interest. Who got hurt? More importantly... who gets paid?

The State. I. E. democrats in NY.

MACS wrote:



It is, and it was. The Banks rep stated so in testimony.

With this judge's ruling he's set in place an exodus from the state. There was already an effort in place that former Rick Scott (now the senior senator from FL) put a bug in the ear of several hedge fund companies and even tried to get Wall Street to rethink why they're tied to expensive property and the taxation angle to move to Florida. Several have already. This will most likely happen. The precedence set with this case is "lawfare" textbook 101.

Based on the Democrat "logic"....Trump is due for a tax refund!

What is the 8th Amendment again? My memory a tad bit off this afternoon.....:-"
rfenst
2 years ago

It is, and it was. The Banks rep stated so in testimony.

With this judge's ruling he's set in place an exodus from the state. There was already an effort in place that former Rick Scott (now the senior senator from FL) put a bug in the ear of several hedge fund companies and even tried to get Wall Street to rethink why they're tied to expensive property and the taxation angle to move to Florida. Several have already. This will most likely happen. The precedence set with this case is "lawfare" textbook 101.

Based on the Democrat "logic"....Trump is due for a tax refund!
"
What is the 8th Amendment again? My memory a tad bit off this afternoon.....:-"

DrMaddVibe wrote:



Does the 8th even apply to civil cases? Seriously. I don't know. I just know what to do when the verdict is too too low or too high. It's called additur and remittitur. You can look up the 8th's application to civil cases...

I agree there was no "harm" to lenders proven. But, the statute uncommonly doesn't require that. Each state gets to make its own laws. So, that defense is not permissible under the law.

He should have known better. He should have acted honestly and in good faith.

They are all trying to take him down because he broke laws and they are terrified he might get away with it.

Political motive too? Sure.

F' him. He makes his own bed of lies.

RayR
2 years ago
I heard Gov. Kathy Hochul try to calm the concerns of property owners by saying that they don't have to worry unless their name is Trump.
It's true.
Mr. Jones
2 years ago
#17 Ray's post

Now that is really F.U.N.N.Y.

SHE IS A REAL C U N T

3 day wait background checks to buy Ammo?
That IS PURE NAZI STUFF IN ACTION...
rfenst
2 years ago
Trump Can Post Smaller Bond in Civil Fraud Case, Court Rules
The former president must post a bond of $175 million within 10 days as he appeals the $454 million judgment against him.


NYT

With Donald J. Trump on the clock to secure a nearly half-billion dollar bond in his civil fraud case, a New York appeals court appears to have handed the former president a lifeline on Monday, accepting a far smaller bond of $175 million.

The ruling by a five-judge panel of appellate court judges is a crucial and unexpected victory for the former president, potentially staving off a looming financial disaster. Had the court denied his request — and had he failed to obtain the full bond — Mr. Trump was at risk of losing control over his bank accounts and, eventually, even some of his marquee properties.

For now, those dire outcomes might be on hold. The bond would prevent the New York attorney general’s office, which brought the fraud case against Mr. Trump, from collecting the judgment while Mr. Trump appeals.

Mr. Trump has 10 days to obtain the bond, and two people with knowledge of his finances said he should be able to secure it by then.

An appeal bond is a promise from an outside company that it will cover his judgment if he ultimately cannot pay. In order to obtain one, Mr. Trump must pay the bond company a fee and pledge a sizable sum of cash as collateral. Mr. Trump need not turn over the collateral for now, but the bond company would be entitled to collect it if he failed to pay.

Mr. Trump’s lawyers had asked the appeals court to either accept a smaller bond or pause the bond requirement altogether. They argued that the court would be likely to overturn the trial judge’s $454 million penalty once it heard the substance of his appeal, contending that it was “grossly disproportionate and unconstitutional.”

The trial judge, Arthur F. Engoron, found Mr. Trump liable for conspiring to inflate his net worth to reap favorable loans from banks and other financial benefits. The $454 million reflected the interest payments Mr. Trump saved by misleading his lenders, as well as profits from the recent sale of two properties.

Justice Engoron did not stop there. He also imposed several restrictions on Mr. Trump and his family business. For three years, Mr. Trump cannot run any New York company, including portions of his own, nor can he obtain a loan from a New York bank. The same restrictions apply to his adult sons for two years. And he extended the appointment of an independent monitor, a watchful outsider to keep an eye on the family business.

Mr. Trump is fighting all the punishments, but the financial penalty alarmed him most.

Until the court accepted the smaller bond on Monday, Mr. Trump was on the hook to obtain a bond for the full amount, in order to avoid paying Ms. James’s office the $454 million while he appeals.

To obtain a bond of such size, Mr. Trump would have needed to pledge a significant amount of collateral to the bond company — about $557 million, his lawyers said — including as much cash as possible, as well as any stocks and bonds he could sell quickly. He would have also owed the bond company a fee that could amount to nearly $20 million.

In a recent court filing, Mr. Trump’s lawyers revealed that he had been unable to secure an appeal bond for the full amount despite “diligent efforts” that included approaching more than 30 bond companies. They called it a “practical impossibility.”

The problem is simple: Much of Mr. Trump’s wealth is tied up in the value of his real estate, which bond companies rarely accept as collateral. A recent New York Times analysis found that Mr. Trump had more than $350 million in cash as well as stocks and bonds, far short of the $557 million he would have needed to post in collateral.

He did, however, have enough collateral to recently post a $91.6 million bond in the defamation case he lost to E. Jean Carroll, and now a $175 million bond in the case brought by Ms. James.
Abrignac
2 years ago

Does the 8th even apply to civil cases? Seriously. I don't know. I just know what to do when the verdict is too too low or too high. It's called additur and remittitur. You can look up the 8th's application to civil cases...

I agree there was no "harm" to lenders proven. But, the statute uncommonly doesn't require that. Each state gets to make its own laws. So, that defense is not permissible under the law.

He should have known better. He should have acted honestly and in good faith.

They are all trying to take him down because he broke laws and they are terrified he might get away with it.

Political motive too? Sure.

F' him. He makes his own bed of lies.

rfenst wrote:




Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted

8th Amendment wrote:



Me thinks the AG started her victory lap a bit soon.

I’ll agree that states can pass laws, but ultimately those laws are subject to review. I’m sure this case will ultimately be heard by the SCOTUS. I also suspect the Court will take a dim view on the actual New York law that provided the context for the verdict. It’s one thing to make an aggrieved party whole, it’s an entirely different animal when states impose what amounts to a tax based on an amateurish attempt to quantify what may or may not have mattered.
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