rfenst
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2 years ago
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Christians pray to the same God Jews do. They do not have their own God. There is only one God. (“You shall have no other Gods before Me").

21% of Israel's population is Arabs with full citizenship.

That says it all: Acceptance v. intolerance.
ZRX1200
2 years ago
After hearing the people of Dearborn this last weekend….not sure how well this is taking.
Abrignac
2 years ago

You want me to give you something? OK, iwill give you toddlers. But then ask yourself why their are toddlers near rocket launchers, RPGs and AK-47s? Who is realy endangering them?

Also, you have mistaken some event from 1948. No one "forced Arabs out" of Israel en masse. In fact, they were encouraged to leave by other arab nations to clear the way for the (first modern) destruction of Israel. Woops, that didn't work out so well since they lost. This is the basis of the "nakba" reference you hear Arabs lament. "The Great Tragedy" if you will. Some Arabs were smart and said "I think I will be an Israeli citizen in this new country and live peacefully (we hope)". Many others chose to leave and were displaced of their own accord and have been pissed ever since that they participated in a war that they lost.

There was no expelling of Arabs.

Once again, I will ask why there are no (longer) bustling Jewish enclaves in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, etc...? Why not? Yet there are large Arab comunities in Israel with full Israeli citizenship... How many Jews have sat on Iran's Supreme court, or Syria's legislative council? Zero. Arabs serve on the Israeli Supreme Court and in the Knesset.

Stogie1020 wrote:



On Nov. 29, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution calling for Palestine to be partitioned between Arabs and Jews, allowing for the formation of the Jewish state of Israel. In doing so roughly 225,000 Palestinians where displaced from their homes in the newly created Jewish state. The fact that they were offered Israeli citizenship is akin to Russia taking control of Crimea and offering the indigenous populace citizenship as a consolation prize.

As far as not being forced out, 98.2% of the time in recorded history when a foreign power takes land from the people living there those people flee. So the fact that they left simply reflects them doing what would be considered the natural thing to do.

It can be spun into any story one wants to spin it. But at the end of the day lands were essentially taken from the people living there and given to a different group of people so they could form a nation. There will never be peace, not necessarily because the lands were taken but because the groups of people involved have been locked into a death struggle over a chunk of desert that’s been ongoing for 1000’s of years.
DrMaddVibe
2 years ago
🤔

I wonder why it was called Judea? They prolly named it after some muslim...oh wait, he came after.
HockeyDad
2 years ago
Interestingly enough, from 1920 to 1948 the area was called Palestine.

“The Mandate for Palestine was a League of Nations mandate for British administration of the territories of Palestine and Transjordan, both of which had been conceded by the Ottoman Empire following the end of World War I in 1918. The mandate was assigned to Britain by the San Remo conference in April 1920.”
Speyside2
2 years ago
The insanity that I see is that Jewish faith, the Christian faith, and the Muslim faith all believe in the same God. If you will, the Torah is the prequel, the Bible is the middle, and the Quran is the sequel. It is absurd for Muslims to think the will convert Jews and Christians to Islam. It is equally absurd for Muslims to think they will kill all of the infidels.

At best the Muslims may be able to launch a dirty bomb. Whatever country that does that, probably Iran, has signed their death certificate. I expect tactical nukes would be used and they would die very quickly. Islamic fundamentalists, Christian fundamentalists, and Jewish fundamentalists are insane, dangerous, and should be treated as such.

An anarchist world would simply eliminate them.
Abrignac
2 years ago

:-k

I wonder why it was called Judea? They prolly named it after some muslim...oh wait, he came after.

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Let’s not let the fact that the Canaanites were there before the Israelites get in the way or that it hasn’t always been called Judea.

Of course we could go back as far as the cave drawings will take us but none of that matters because chances are the original settlers simply grunted and were so underdeveloped as a group that more likely they focused on surviving from one minute to the next than drawing pictures.
ZRX1200
2 years ago
Spey one of those 3 hasn’t had a reformation.
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2 years ago

Let’s not let the fact that the Canaanites were there before the Israelites get in the way or that it hasn’t always been called Judea.

Of course we could go back as far as the cave drawings will take us but none of that matters because chances are the original settlers simply grunted and were so underdeveloped as a group that more likely they focused on surviving from one minute to the next than drawing pictures.

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What was the sin of the Canaanites?
Canaanite culture was described as utterly corrupt, especially when it came to violence and abuse of the most vulnerable in their communities. The Old Testament presents the Israelites as an instrument of divine justice. These are not depicted as battles for plunder or power-grabs.

What did God say to do to the Canaanites?
The command to utterly destroy these people seems pretty clear, and Joshua, after taking control of the land, said that he did everything the Lord commanded (Joshua 11:20-23).

If you believe that god gave Jews the Ten Commandments and Torah (Old Testament), then this is the answer. All of this will be sorted out when the Messiah comes...
Abrignac
2 years ago

What was the sin of the Canaanites?
Canaanite culture was described as utterly corrupt, especially when it came to violence and abuse of the most vulnerable in their communities. The Old Testament presents the Israelites as an instrument of divine justice. These are not depicted as battles for plunder or power-grabs.

What did God say to do to the Canaanites?
The command to utterly destroy these people seems pretty clear, and Joshua, after taking control of the land, said that he did everything the Lord commanded (Joshua 11:20-23).

If you believe that god gave Jews the Ten Commandments and Torah (Old Testament), then this is the answer. All of this will be sorted out when the Messiah comes...

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The Old Testament was written by Jewish scholars. Parts of the which happened thousands of years before the advent of written history. It would be expected to be self-serving to some degree.
ZRX1200
2 years ago
^ that sounds like a straight man set up for a Don Rickles line…..
Speyside2
2 years ago
The House of Representatives will be voting on an aid package for Israel on Saturday, as well as aid packages for Ukraine and basically Tiwan. I forget just what they named it. Biden has said he will sign the bills. Also, the house will be voting on a border security bill soon. This information is direct from the speaker of the house. It appears a deal has been cut that both parties are willing to accept. I hope extremist Democratic representatives or senators do not kill this. In Ukraine I do not feel they are our friends in any way, though in this case the enemy of our enemy is our friend. Israel is our friend and a linchpin in middle eastern security. Tiwan is essential to us as is South Korea until our chip building capacities are sufficient for our needs and our allies' needs. As far as pacific rim security they are also essential, though if China attacked either, I doubt we would go to war.

I think we have found out a few interesting facts recently. I now feel Iranian weapons and the Iranian military are still third world in nature. Our weaponry is still the best in the world. Big gun shelling is still militarily viable and a dominant factor in war. We need the capability of always being able to provide for our energy needs and our allies' needs.

Of course, in the big picture I am as clueless as ever. I have an opinion, but it is only that, an opinion.
Abrignac
2 years ago

^ that sounds like a straight man set up for a Don Rickles line…..

ZRX1200 wrote:



If you say so...
Abrignac
2 years ago

:-k

I wonder why it was called Judea? They prolly named it after some muslim...oh wait, he came after.

DrMaddVibe wrote:



To be even more precise the first humans known to have lived in the Levant, of which Judea is a part of, were Homo Sapiens from Africa. They inhabited the area as far back as 90,000 BCE. They were replaced by the neanderthals. It wasn't until some 79,000 years later that the Israelites appeared when they were led out of bondage from Egypt. In between what is now known as Judea was ruled by the Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Philistines and a few other groups.

Perhaps when the Israelites landed there after many other cultures had or were inhabiting the area they chose to call it Judea??? Perhaps since the Israelites seem to have been the only group recording history at the time the name Judea stuck simply because it was the only name that was recorded in the only text being kept?
8trackdisco
2 years ago

To be even more precise the first humans known to have lived in the Levant, of which Judea is a part of, were Homo Sapiens from Africa. They inhabited the area as far back as 90,000 BCE. They were replaced by the neanderthals. It wasn't until some 79,000 years later that the Israelites appeared when they were led out of bondage from Egypt. In between what is now known as Judea was ruled by the Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Philistines and a few other groups.

Perhaps when the Israelites landed there after many other cultures had or were inhabiting the area they chose to call it Judea??? Perhaps since the Israelites seem to have been the only group recording history at the time the name Judea stuck simply because it was the only name that was recorded in the only text being kept?

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Pretty confident the term Judea came from the Romans when they had their expansive empire.
Abrignac
2 years ago

Pretty confident the term Judea came from the Romans when they had their expansive empire.

8trackdisco wrote:



There seems to be at least 2 competing narratives. One is that the name Judea is a derivation of the Greco-Roman word Judah. Another being that Judea is a derivation of the Hebrew name Yahudah who was a son of Jacob who later became known as Israel.

Kinda dovetails with what I’ve been saying all along. Different cultures have been conflicted over that chunk of desert for a very long time.
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2 years ago

The Old Testament was written by Jewish scholars. Parts of the which happened thousands of years before the advent of written history. It would be expected to be self-serving to some degree.

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Not impossible. But, Jewish lore was that it was written by Moses.

I am just leading with the the arguments that I believe support my position best to the greatest audience possible.
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... later that the Israelites appeared when they were led out of bondage from Egypt.

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Judaism began before the Jews were enslaved by the Egyptians.
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... later that the Israelites appeared when they were led out of bondage from Egypt.

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Abrahm> Issac> Jacob...

Judaism began before the Jews were enslaved by the Egyptians.

Also: "The biblical patriarch Isaac is recognized as a prophet of God by Muslims. As in Judaism and Christianity, Islam maintains that Isaac was the son of the patriarch and prophet Abraham from his wife Sarah."
frankj1
2 years ago

Abrahm> Issac> Jacob...

Judaism began before the Jews were enslaved by the Egyptians.

Also: "The biblical patriarch Isaac is recognized as a prophet of God by Muslims. As in Judaism and Christianity, Islam maintains that Isaac was the son of the patriarch and prophet Abraham from his wife Sarah."

rfenst wrote:


I think, though the above is true, the Arabs are thought to descend from Abraham (Abram at the time) through a son named Ishmael, born to Sarah's handmaiden Hagar as Sarah was thought to be past the age of fertility
...yadda yadda yadda...
but then Sarah did conceive and that son was Isaac (Yitzhak), Hagar and Ishmael were eventually cast out and Ishmael became the father of Arabs which eventually produced Mohammed who founded the Islamic religion...

or so I heard.
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