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RobertHively
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2 years ago

#21

Sorry Bud, it's there and I have been... Lot's of Arabs living in Israel, too. Not so many Jews living in Gaza...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Israel/

Stogie1020 wrote:

1948 onward, yes.

DrMaddVibe
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2 years ago

#22

1948 onward, yes.

RobertHively wrote:

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/hamas-leaders-sons-grandchildren-killed-single-israeli-airstrike

In case you missed it.

Stogie1020
Herf-A-Holic

2 years ago

#23

1948 onward, yes.

RobertHively wrote:

And we are post 1948, so Israel is right there on the map... It's not going anywhere either, despite the best attempts by some lunatics in pajamas running around yelling Aloha Snackbar.

RobertHively
Herf-A-Holic

2 years ago

#24

And we are post 1948, so Israel is right there on the map... It's not going anywhere either, despite the best attempts by some lunatics in pajamas running around yelling Aloha Snackbar.

Stogie1020 wrote:

Your point?

RobertHively
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2 years ago

#25

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/hamas-leaders-sons-grandchildren-killed-single-israeli-airstrike

In case you missed it.

DrMaddVibe wrote:

So? Like you said maybe Israel should get it over with already.

Really doesn't have much to do with the article Ray posted or my initial comment. Or the comment I posted in response to Ray's article.

Stogie1020
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2 years ago

#26

There is no Palestine on the map. Gonna have to deal with that one.

DrMaddVibe wrote:

Or Israel

RobertHively wrote:

Your point?

RobertHively wrote:

You are factually incorrect. There is an "Israel" on the map. That is my point. I even provided you with a link to see for yourself.

RobertHively
Herf-A-Holic

2 years ago

#27

You are factually incorrect. There is an "Israel" on the map. That is my point. I even provided you with a link to see for yourself.

Stogie1020 wrote:

My comments are geared toward posts 2, 6, and 11.

I know Israel is on the map. They are a country in the Middle East.

DrMaddVibe
Herf-A-Holic

2 years ago

#28

RobertHively wrote:

Merry Eid al-Fitr??? Is there a bomb vest they wear to celebrate the holiday? Do they do a big countdown and yank a rip cord or do they hideout in hospitals and children's daycare centers and lob missiles into settlements? I mean that would be played out as they do that every day of the year. Oh well.

RobertHively
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2 years ago

#29

Well, I'm out. I'll Talk to you guys later on. Lol

Stogie1020
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2 years ago

#30

My comments are geared toward posts 2, 6, and 11.

I know Israel is on the map. They are a country in the Middle East.

RobertHively wrote:

All of my comments are geared towards post 2.

And to be clear, you said that Israel was not on the map.

RobertHively
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2 years ago

#31

All of my comments are geared towards post 2.

And to be clear, you said that Israel was not on the map.

Stogie1020 wrote:

Ok. Prior to 1948 the state of Israel did not exist, therefore it wasn't on a map.

Kinda like prior to 1863 the U.S. state of West Virginia did not exist, therefore it wasn't on a map.

Stog, I disagree with you on the genocide part of my initial post. (Post #2)

Genocide:
The systematic and widespread extermination or attempted extermination of a national, racial, religious, or ethnic group.
The systematic killing of a racial or cultural group.

It looks like an attempt to me eliminate the Palestinian people to me, not just Hamas.

Post #6 I agree with that article more than I do with the OP.

Post #11 I think this is about land and resources as well as different ideologies.

I read every word of the OP article. Let me know what you think of the Lew Rockwell article that Ray posted.

No hard feelings whatsoever on my end. This type of debate used to be everyday, here.

RayR
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2 years ago

#32

Yeah, you could also go with "war crimes".

Is the genocide of a civilian population by an opposing army a war crime?

What about "ethnic cleansing"? That sounds better.

RobertHively wrote:

Ethnic cleansing is the same as genocide although targeted at a specific ethnicity or religion..
Using terrorist tactics against non-combatant men, women, children, and the elderly is a war crime under all traditional Western rules of war.
I don't think groups like Hamas abide by any moral values like that, instead, they hide behind non-combatant men, women, children, and the elderly. Some kind of ancient barbaric code I guess.

Regardless, using terrorism against a civilian population by the opposing army is a war crime no matter what the excuse.
We all know that rogue individuals within armies sometimes commit war crimes and they should be duly punished, but when the use of terrorism is command approved, that takes war crimes to a whole new level.

Speyside2
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2 years ago

#33

Unfortunately, it is and was inevitable that a small number of Gazans die because of Hamas tactics. 2.1 million people live in Gaza, roughly 33 thousand have died. This is about 1.5% of the Gazan population. It is patently absurd to consider this attempted genocide. War is brutal, terrorist attacks are cowardly. Until Israel has destroyed Hamas it will not and should not stop fighting.

The world court should be ashamed of itself for bring charges against Israel. Hamas uses Palestinians as human shields. To kill Hamas, you must destroy the shields. War is hell. I support Israel completely and unconditionally, though not blindly. If their tactics rise to the level of war crimes, then I will not support Israel.

As far as the attack on the Iranian embassy, they are the terrorist state that funds basically all Islamic fundamentalist terrorist groups. Hamas terrorists are reported to have been in the embassy. Israel sent Iran a message, pure and simple.

skillett
Connoisseur

2 years ago

#34

Don't think you have to worry about Israel.Their history shows that once attacked, they track and kill their enemies and even those invovled. It may take them a few months/years depending which countries the enemy tries to hid in, but their fate is certain. And they know it.

Biden and administration, don't count on them having any mid-east persuasion, I hope Netayahu has seen through pluto and his litter. They can't nor will attempt to close our southern border. He speaks loud and tough when told to. His time is short in the big house. I hope to see him being physically thrown out of the house and ran out of the country come 2024 and being placed on the do not enter registry should there be one.

I don't call it genocide. It's jst what happens in war They should have not let hamas hid in their homes and hospitals and dig all the tunnels. Had a group of palestinians caught a couple of their soldiers and confiscated their weapons, two then four, then 8, etc. they would get the upper hand. It would sure beat them squatting down and watching.

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KingoftheCove
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2 years ago

#35

I find it fascinating that NONE of the Arab nations in the region will take in Palestinians.
When we get hit again like we did in 9/11, (and we will get hit) it will be interesting to see how we respond.

Speyside2
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2 years ago

#36

RobertHively wrote:

Palestine is not a nation. There is no Palestinian race. Islam is not being obliterated. There is no Palestinian ethnicity. There is no Palestinian racial or cultural group. Hence by definition there can be no genocide. Above and beyond the actual numbers, and Hamas usage of Gazans, I felt this was worth pointing out.

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rfenst
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

2 years ago

#37

No hard feelings whatsoever on my end. This type of debate used to be everyday, here.

RobertHively wrote:

YES!

rfenst
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

2 years ago

#38

It's real simple to me:
According to Judeo-Christion theology: God gave specific lands to the Jews.
End of story.

As to all this "genocide" b.s., the legal concept of "intent" needs to be proven. Got any proof of "intent" to commit genocide?

The percentage of civilians killed is miniscule here. Of course Israel needs to do its best to minimize civilian death, but routing Hamas and getting the hostages back (if even possible) must come first if it is to remain a sovereign nation.

BTW, how many civilians did the U.S. kill in Hiroshima and Nagasaki to end the war? Was that attempted genocide?

ZRX1200
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2 years ago

#39

You mean exactly like a insurrection?

DrMaddVibe
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2 years ago

#40

BTW, how many civilians did the U.S. kill in Hiroshima and Nagasaki to end the war? Was that attempted genocide?

rfenst wrote:

To be fair...

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..we did warn them. We were at war with them, and THEY started the mess by attacking a sleeping Pearl Harbor.

TO THE JAPANESE PEOPLE:

America asks that you take immediate heed of what we say on this leaflet.

We are in possession of the most destructive explosion ever devised by man. A single one of our newly developed atomic bombs is actually the equivalent in explosive power to what 2000 of our giant B-29s can carry on a single mission. This awful fact is one for you to ponder and we solemnly assure you it is grimly accurate.

We have just begun to use this weapon against your homeland. If you still have any doubt, make inquiry as to what happened to Hiroshima when just one atomic bomb fell on that city.

Before using this bomb to destroy every resource of the military by which they are prolonging this useless war, we ask that you now petition the Emperor to end the war. Our president has outlined for you the thirteen consequences of an honorable surrender. We urge that you accept these consequences and begin the work of building a new, better and peace-loving Japan.

You should take steps now to cease military resistance. Otherwise, we shall resolutely employ this bomb and all our other superior weapons to promptly and forcefully end the war.

EVACUATE YOUR CITIES.

ATTENTION JAPANESE PEOPLE. EVACUATE YOUR CITIES.

Because your military leaders have rejected the thirteen part surrender declaration, two momentous events have occurred in the last few days.

The Soviet Union, because of this rejection on the part of the military has notified your Ambassador Sato that it has declared war on your nation. Thus, all powerful countries of the world are now at war with you.

Also, because of your leaders' refusal to accept the surrender declaration that would enable Japan to honorably end this useless war, we have employed our atomic bomb.

A single one of our newly developed atomic bombs is actually the equivalent in explosive power to what 2000 of our giant B-29s could have carried on a single mission. Radio Tokyo has told you that with the first use of this weapon of total destruction, Hiroshima was virtually destroyed.

Before we use this bomb again and again to destroy every resource of the military by which they are prolonging this useless war, petition the emperor now to end the war. Our president has outlined for you the thirteen consequences of an honorable surrender. We urge that you accept these consequences and begin the work of building a new, better, and peace-loving Japan.

Act at once or we shall resolutely employ this bomb and all our other superior weapons to promptly and forcefully end the war.

EVACUATE YOUR CITIES.

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