MACS
2 years ago

Mantra-virtuing. You got more accurate numbers that differ?

rfenst wrote:



First I'd need to know where they got their own numbers... I mean, aside from their collective rectums. "Polling"? That's hardly scientific data.
RayR
2 years ago

No, it was just named wrong. Shoulda been Joey B's Redistribution Act.

deadeyedick wrote:



I heard it was redistributing stolen loot to Joey B's supporters to fight climate change. 🤔
Gene363
2 years ago

First I'd need to know where they got their own numbers... I mean, aside from their collective rectums. "Polling"? That's hardly scientific data.

MACS wrote:



HD cover that one:

The WSJ surveyed 500 millionaires and they all agreed the economy is fine. Vote Joe Biden.

HockeyDad wrote:



MaduroJorge
2 years ago
Here is my anti-inflation solution

Since I can'r print Trillions of worthless dollars as Joey B. and the gang do,
I'm gonna draw an extra Zero on my $10 bills, go down to Publix and tell the cashier Joey sent me
Mr. Jones
2 years ago
The economy sucks at flea mkts ...

Nobody buying like they used to...
To many "phone fuuuukers and resellers" trying to get everything for
$1.00 to resell on EBAY FOR $50-100....

I DONT SELL THEM ANYTHING


PULL OUT A PHONE OR JEWELERS LOOP @ MY STAND ????

I TOTALLY IGNORE YOU...YOU RATFUUUCK PUNK
Gene363
2 years ago

Here is my anti-inflation solution

Since I can'r print Trillions of worthless dollars as Joey B. and the gang do,
I'm gonna draw an extra Zero on my $10 bills, go down to Publix and tell the cashier Joey sent me

MaduroJorge wrote:



Just tell them your Ten$ identify as Hundos.
rfenst
  • rfenst
  • Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter
2 years ago

First I'd need to know where they got their own numbers... I mean, aside from their collective rectums. "Polling"? That's hardly scientific data.

MACS wrote:


From the article alone:

1. Wall Street Journal’s latest poll of swing states, 74% of respondents said inflation has moved in the wrong direction in t
he past year.
2. Federal government
3 Brookings Institute
4 .Harvard
5. University of Michigan Survey Research Center
6. Vanguard






OK. So what objective numbers do you rely vs. your subjective opinion?

MACS
2 years ago
My eyeballs. My grocery bill. Interest rates. Housing prices. Gas prices. Certainly not polls or anything the government says.
rfenst
  • rfenst
  • Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter
2 years ago

My eyeballs. My grocery bill. Interest rates. Housing prices. Gas prices. Certainly not polls or anything the government says.

MACS wrote:


Yes we had a period of high inflation (just like so many other world-wide nations), but it is now down to 3-3.5 percent depending on what you are spending on an.d which measure you use. We got too used to uber cheap money for a decade or more and now we are trending close to if not at the long-run historical rates.
Gene363
2 years ago
This thread reminds me of a business doubling prices then announcing a fabulous 25% cut in their prices. [frypan]
MACS
2 years ago
Since Biden took office:

Gasoline: +47.8%
Groceries: +21.1%
Eating out: +21.4%
Auto Ins: +22% (largest spike since 1976)
Baby food: +30.3%
Pet food: +23.7%
Rent: +20.9%
Electric: +28.3%
Natural gas: +26.9%
Used cars: +20.9%
Air fare: +32.7%

Real average weekly earnings?? -3.9%

Now spin that for me and tell me how the "data" is telling us the economy is not f---ed up?
rfenst
  • rfenst
  • Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter
2 years ago

Since Biden took office:

Gasoline: +47.8%
Groceries: +21.1%
Eating out: +21.4%
Auto Ins: +22% (largest spike since 1976)
Baby food: +30.3%
Pet food: +23.7%
Rent: +20.9%
Electric: +28.3%
Natural gas: +26.9%
Used cars: +20.9%
Air fare: +32.7%

Real average weekly earnings?? -3.9%

Now spin that for me and tell me how the "data" is telling us the economy is not f---ed up?

MACS wrote:


There definitely has been inflation, but that's only one side of the picture.

Extraordinarily high employment rates have kept us out of recession thus far. You are comparing post-covid, supply chain and post-Russia/Ukraine war circumstances.

We were addicted to artificially cheap money compared to norms for so long, it's hard to remember what things were like 10-50 years ago.

Historically speaking we are not iin bad shape right now and it seems the worst has passed.
rfenst
  • rfenst
  • Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter
2 years ago
[quote=rfenst]There definitely has been inflation, but that's only one side of the picture.

Extraordinarily high employment rates have kept us out of recession thus far. You are comparing post-covid, supply chain and post-Russia/Ukraine war circumstances.

We were addicted to artificially cheap money compared to norms for so long, it's hard to remember what things were like 10-50 years ago.

Historically speaking we are not in bad shape right now and it seems the worst has passed (other than the deficit).





The U.S. economy has made considerable progress in 2023. Inflation is down six percentage points from its peak in 2022. At the same time, real wages are rising and unemployment remains historically low. But despite the significant progress on inflation, Americans continue to feel the pain of higher prices. When incomes rise faster than prices, households can afford more: they have more purchasing power. This is precisely the trend we have seen in the United States since the pandemic. Thanks to rising real wages (wages adjusted for inflation) and record high employment, the typical American can afford more goods and services than before the pandemic.


U.S. Treasury

MACS
2 years ago
^Government telling you "everything's fine!"

High employment rates? By what metric? People that quit looking aren't counted and people that lost their jobs or businesses that went BACK to work/opened a new business are counted.
rfenst
  • rfenst
  • Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter
2 years ago

^Government telling you "everything's fine!"

High employment rates? By what metric? People that quit looking aren't counted and people that lost their jobs or businesses that went BACK to work/opened a new business are counted.

MACS wrote:


So what?

Of course it is flawed a bit. But what other objective measures exist when comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges?

It would be nice to perfect formulas to compare to year over year, but that is not possible. There are two methods of inflation being measured by the Fed. One is old. The other newer.

Again, what besides your own subjective opinion are tou relying on?
rfenst
  • rfenst
  • Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter
2 years ago
The Inflation Thief Rises Again
A new surge in the consumer-price index means the real average hourly wage has risen seven lousy cents in a year.


WSJ- today
rfenst
  • rfenst
  • Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter
2 years ago
The Labor Market Keeps on Truckin’
A March jobs surge gives the Fed good reason to delay rate cuts.


WSJ Editorial Board
The jobs surge in March is good news for nearly everyone, except perhaps for those in the Federal Reserve who are itching to cut interest rates soon and several times this year. The strong labor market underscores the question we asked earlier this week, which is that maybe monetary conditions aren’t as tight as the Fed claims.

You certainly can’t see financial stress in March payrolls, with the Labor Department reporting 303,000 net new jobs in the month, plus revisions in two previous months that added a net 22,000 more. The unemployment rate fell a tick to 3.8%, as a separate survey showed 469,000 new entrants into the labor force. The labor participation rate climbed and at 62.7% is now above where it was a year ago. This is all good news.

One caveat is that 71,000 of the new jobs came from government, which keeps growing. Another 81,300 came from healthcare and social assistance, which depend heavily on government transfer payments. Leisure and hospitality firms, which are still recovering from the pandemic, kicked in another 49,000. Job growth in the wealth-creating, productivity enhancing parts of the economy wasn’t as robust, but it also still showed overall health.

The March report means the economy continues to defy predictions of an imminent slowdown. The job gains will flow into consumer spending, which should in turn flow into corporate profits. Perhaps this will encourage more business investment, which hasn’t been a hallmark of the post-pandemic economy.

The jobs report certainly complicates the decision at the Fed of when and how rapidly to cut interest rates. Not long ago the markets had expected a March cut, but that day has passed. Then it was June, but there’s now reason to doubt that.

We don’t agree with those who believe in a tradeoff between the job market and inflation. A declining rate of inflation can be healthy for economic growth, as the 1980s and 1990s proved. But the Fed still hasn’t triumphed over its latest bout of inflation, and the last two months of price increases are enough to raise warning signs.

The same is true from overall financial conditions, which hardly cry “restrictive.” Stocks have plateaued a bit but have been on a tear since late October. Commodity prices are up, both the speculative (gold) and those tied to faster economic growth (copper).

It’s true that banks want interest-rate cuts so they can reduce the duration risk in their assets. But the Fed keeps saying the banking system is sound. Why take the risk that inflation stays stubborn or even pops back up by easing money prematurely—especially when there’s so little sign of economic distress?

RayR
2 years ago
I've got no WSJ op-eds so ...

Let's Be Honest: The Economy Is NOT Doing Well

04/10/2024 • Mises Wire • Connor O'Keeffe

The American economy is not all right. But to see why, you need to look beyond the dramatic numbers we keep seeing in the headlines and establishment talking points.

Take, for instance, the latest jobs report. For the third month in a row, the American economy added significantly more jobs than most economists had been expecting—a total of 303,000 for March. On its face, that’s a good number.

But as Ryan McMaken laid out over the weekend, things don’t look as strong when you dig into the data. For instance, virtually all the jobs added are part-time jobs. Full-time jobs have actually been disappearing since December of last year. In fact, as McMaken highlighted, “The year-over-year measure of full-time jobs has fallen into recession territory.”

Also, most of these new part-time jobs are going to immigrants, many of whom are in the country illegally. There has been zero job creation for native-born Americans since mid-2018. While immigrants are not harming the economy by working, the scale of new foreign-born workers has papered over the employment struggles of the native-born population.

Further, government jobs accounted for almost a quarter of those added—way above the standard ten to twelve percent. Just like with government spending and economic growth, government hiring boosts the official jobs number while draining the actual, value-producing economy.

Some economists, like Daniel Lacalle, argue that the US economy is already experiencing a private-sector recession but that government spending and hiring are propping up the official data enough to hide it.

A recession is inevitable, thanks to the last decade of interest rate manipulation by the Federal Reserve—and especially to its dramatic actions during the pandemic. The recession-like conditions in full-time jobs is further evidence that Lacalle is right.

MORE...

https://mises.org/mises-wire/lets-be-honest-economy-not-doing-well 

MaduroJorge
2 years ago
I've had enough SMOKE N MIRRORS Statistics and "Historical Data" from Rfenst.
I.m out. CUL!!!
ZRX1200
2 years ago
.07 in a year?!!

Man my fuel and food bills aren’t nothing now, hot damn.
Users browsing this topic