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Jakethesnake86
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2 years ago

#61

^ I’m just guessing at this point without knowing your specific soil but aim for 180 pounds per acre of nitrogen. That should be more than plenty for a really nice sweet corn crop.

I plant rows 30” wide and space my kernels 7 inches or so apart.

Give the corn plenty of water They recommend 2 inches a week. That number is just a rule of thumb but corn wants all the water it can drink.

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Jakethesnake86
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2 years ago

#62

As far as brands of fertilizer it won’t matter. Just the analysis is what you’re gonna want to really look at

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Jakethesnake86
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2 years ago

#63

If you have laying hens by any chance, chicken manure is my favorite fertilizer for corn. I run that at 2.5 tons per acre. It’ll grow corn

My parents have a dozen hens in a 12x12 building and we clean it out once a year I get enough out of there to do my garden and my mothers

I buy a lot of manure from other chicken farmers to use in my fields. I’ve spread over 400 tons this year on corn ground. Would buy more but none available

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Jakethesnake86
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2 years ago

#64

Excuse me for the babbling.

Robert if you can get a 20 pound bag of 16-16-16 (Walmart has it)
Put that on first before you plant or before it comes up

Once they are 6-8 inches tall a 20 pound bag of 32-0-0

I Mathed a little. (I dumbed the math down to 1/25 of an acre)

That’ll get you over 163 pounds of nitrogen. If you want a tik more N you could add a little but that will get you a nice crop right there

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Jakethesnake86
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2 years ago

#65

^ I forgot to math in the triple 16. But I stand by my statement. You won’t need more nitrogen. That’ll be over 200 pounds of nitro. Plenty. Corn will love it

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Speyside2
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2 years ago

#66

Jake I do not know what you do. Are you a farmer or did you gain this knowledge elsewhere?

Jakethesnake86
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2 years ago

#67

I farm Spey

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RobertHively
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2 years ago

#68

Jakethesnake86 wrote:

Hey, thanks Jake. You saved me a lot of time, and trial and error... I appreciate it.

For the 16-16-16, should I spread it around and then till it into the ground before I plant?

Is the 32-0-0 the stuff that cant touch the plant? Should I put it in the space between the individual plants within a row? How do you apply it?

I really want to do it right this year, and hopefully I can build on that for next yr. I have the space to expand.

I have an 8 foot fence around the 70x25 so hopefully with the fertilizer I'll get a big yield, bc I won't have to worry about the deer. I also bought some live traps for the smaller creatures that might sneak in...

I'm going to buy the stuff at Southern States (farm store) one evening this week. Thanks again.

jeebling
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2 years ago

#69

Basil, oregano, parsley, dill, thyme, chives, rosemary, cilantro, sage, lavender (I like the smell and flowers for the bees and stuff). I still gotta plant some flowers for window sill boxes but I'm not sure we are out of the woods for overnight frost.

Bought the seeds from Amazon. I sowed them in 10" pots with potting soil and watered them (moist to the touch poking in a finger) Sprinkled the seeds on the surface and lightly raked them in with a fork.. maybe 1/4" deep. Nothing has popped up. I know some take a few weeks to wake up but it's been a like 3 weeks indoors and no sign of life. Maybe seeds were faulty or maybe I'm faulty (shrug, there is a valid argument for the latter).

Normally I buy herb seedlings at the nursery but thought I'd try seeds this year. Worst case is the seeds didn't work and I'll get seedlings again at the nursery.

Once oregano, chives, lavender, thyme, sage, rosemary are established they are perennials and survive the winter as long as you provide some covering insulation like fall leaves in my region. The others, I've found, can't handle the cold or are annuals so I replant every season.

BuckyB93 wrote:

The lavender flowers can be added to salads. It’s pretty and it adds flavor and whatever specific micronutrients lavender has that you don’t get from other foods.

Jakethesnake86
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2 years ago

#70

Robert you can work the triple 16 in if you’d like. But just remember fertilizer always works its way down If you’re using a garden tiller yeah but don’t use like a plow and bury it a foot under the ground. I’d set my garden tiller on the lightest setting and just semi incorporate it

Yes the 32-0-0 will burn the leaves. (Liquid especially)

I’m sure you already know but if you can’t get those exact fertilizers just do the figures.

Example 10-10-10 means there’s 10 pounds of nitro phosphorus and potassium per 100 pounds of product. So you’d just need more

Ditto with the 32-0-0. (I use n-sol 32 liquid most often)

There’s 32 pounds of actual N per 100 pounds of product

You can just check out any bag of fertilizer and figure up what you need.

If you find lawn food even at like let’s say 30-0-2 (I’ve seen that blend) just use it. That little extra potassium isn’t gonna bother anything.

If you get that corn in real soon it should come off and give you plenty of time to grow broccoli or whatever you guys eat as a fall crop.

I mentioned for east math I just figured your plot into 1/25th of an acre. And used approximately what I’d try

Obviously in large scale farming you get your soil samples to know exactly what you have out the so we use some whacky blends you’re not likely to find on the shelf.

We have southern states around here too they doa little farm related applications here I just personally haven’t used them much, they’re a good company though. I use mainly growmark FS and nutrien ag

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Jakethesnake86
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2 years ago

#71

If you use liquid which I’d almost advise you not to. We Put it in the center of the 30” row. There’s some guys trying to get it a little closer to the plant without killing it. I like the idea but I put mine in the center

With granulated we spin it on over the top. Some leaf burn will happen but the plant doesn’t seem to care it’ll get yellow speckles but responds well.

Whatever you use just turn the water sprinklers on when you’re finished applying and it minimizes burn. If you burn the leaves don’t worry too much. The plant will grow right out of it. I’ve burnt some corn pretty bad and it yielded very well

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RobertHively
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2 years ago

#72

Ok I'll work that triple 16 in with a rake, and I'll buy the granulated 32-0-0 or something equivalent to the 32-0-0. I saw the 30-0-2 on Walmart.com.

We don't have many options around here, as far as farm stores go. The Southern States is about 24 miles from me in the county over. This county doesn't even have a grocery store.Lol

Just curious, what do you guys do about the deer? Do you count the damage they cause as an operating loss and adjust your prices accordingly?

I use tall fences for my small plots, but that isn't feasible on an industrial scale.

If I put in an acre of corn, did ALL that work, I'd be afraid that it all would be for nothing.

Jakethesnake86
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2 years ago

#73

I’ve lost more money to deer than I care to count. If it was up to me I’d shoot them with rifles. We are overrun. If they totally destroy a farm which is fairly common insurance kicks in but it’s only enough to maybe keep you in business. I’ve tried growing grain sorghum in those areas. They don’t like eating it too much.

It’s actually awful. Not a lot you can do. Find people that like to hunt and try to keep them pushed back. I don’t mind seeing 4-5 eating on my crops but when there’s 40 out there it gets a little more than frustrating. There’s honestly just too many right in my area. I love animals and all that. I hate killing basically anything but they’re just oversized rats to me at this point

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Jakethesnake86
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2 years ago

#74

So from an exact example.

A 60 acre farm with irrigation growing corn averages 200 bushel

You lose 5 acres to deer. You end up averaging 183

You get no insurance out of that you just loose 6000$ That’s on only 60 acres We till 1500 or so acres imagine how that adds up. Right or wrong I’m gonna start shooting them. Sick of them

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BuckyB93
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2 years ago

#75

The lavender flowers can be added to salads. It’s pretty and it adds flavor and whatever specific micronutrients lavender has that you don’t get from other foods.

jeebling wrote:

I've never grown lavender. I choose it not for eating (might have to try it based on your recommendation) but for the fragrance, color and for bees and butterflies to get pollen and nectar.

None of my herbs from seed have germinated. I tried another set of seeds but to no avail. It's been another 2 weeks and nothing has broken ground. I'll probably do what i've done in past years and just by the 6 pack thingies from the plant nursery.

Still too early to put out tender seedlings. We still have overnight frost every couple days a week so far. By mid May we should be out of frost danger. Then I'll harden off (that's what she said) the seedlings with going in and out (that's what she said) outside and inside.

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RobertHively
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2 years ago

#76

Jakethesnake86 wrote:

Yeah. It would get expensive. I don't like them either, anymore, and you have a lot more on the line than me.

I think they should be treated as a nuisance animal in the rural areas. This county is also overrun with deer. I bet there is more deer than people. They like to hang on my flat and eat as opposed to staying on the side of a mountain.

I basically live in a meadow next to a watering hole (creek), so when they aren't eating our flowers, vegetables, or trees, they like to graze around the property.

I have yet to get a crossbow, but it's on my list. Nobody will hear the bow.

Jakethesnake86
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2 years ago

#77

Great idea. Where you from Robert?

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RobertHively
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2 years ago

#78

^

Originally the western part of Virginia, my wife is from Kentucky.

Years ago my brother and I got this land as a place to hunt. We never thought twice about this flat or the old farmhouse.

But, in the end, my wife and I needed this old place. Been working on it since November 2021.

We used to go to West Virginia all of the time to hike, camp, fish and hunt. Now we live in West Virginia and most of our time and money is spent working on this place. Lol

jeebling
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2 years ago

#79

BuckyB93 wrote:

LOL
We have the lavender for the same reasons as you but about 5 years ago we started making tea and putting it in salads. We have heaps and heaps of it. It grows well in East Texas. Best of luck to you (and to her…she talks too much!)

danmdevries
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2 years ago

#80

Wife came home with small plants for the garden. Scorpions, ghosts, reapers, habaneros for my tub.

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