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MidnightToker( • )( • )
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2 years ago

This happened yesterday in a neighborhood near mine. Guy shoots his cousin and kills him at his or their home. Then he goes to a local church, points the gun at the pastor and pulls the trigger. Misfire. A parishioner tackles him before he can clear the misfire and then he's subdued by the pastor and several other congregants.

In all my years of shooting (probably 50K+ rounds) I've never had a failure to fire. The majority of those rounds were put through Glocks and quality firearms, I've never shot a Hi-point, and I don't know what the guy was using but it worked on the previous use moments before.

Police pulled the round and pointed out the hammer strike on the primer to the pastor.

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dharbolt
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2 years ago

Only ftf I've ever had was in an x39 ar15 when the platform was first introduced, light strikes on Russian steel cased ammo were not uncommon, but never with a tried and tested fire arm, and I have shot hipoints

JGRAZ
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2 years ago

One time, Glock 17, but was a dead round, and happened during quals

KingoftheCove
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2 years ago

Only with cheap .22lr, as many others have experienced I’m sure.
Never with centerfire or 12 guage.

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clickbangdead
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2 years ago

Have had some with older surplus, never newer manufacturered rounds.

Abrignac
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2 years ago

dharbolt wrote:

Look at what the cat drug in. Where ya been?

jeebling
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2 years ago

Never. I’ve not fired anywhere close to 50K rounds but I have fired thousands. I wonder what MACS experience w/this is?

ZRX1200
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2 years ago

I’ve had this happen with a few different types of 22LR ammo, once with 9mm ammo (these were all ammo issues).

I’ve never had this happen (ammo problem) in an AR but I DID get a box of Winchester ammo where the primer was installed backwards.

I had this happen quite a bit breaking in an AR pistol chambered in 7.62x39 though this wasn’t what dharbolt was saying in my case. For me it was not having a brace. Once it had the SB3 installed it’s ran flawlessly and no I don’t run a power spring in the trigger. I’m running a Larue MBT2S.

I have also had squibs TWICE in revolvers. Factory loads.

And HiPoints are actually pretty reliable FYI.

MACS
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2 years ago

I worked in the armory when I was a Master-at-Arms in the Navy. Then I went to small arms instructor school.

I've fired a lot of rounds through a lot of guns and I do not recall ever having an actual failure to fire. I've had some stovepipes or failure to fully eject, but never a failure to fire.

Stogie1020
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2 years ago

#10

And HiPoints are actually pretty reliable FYI.

ZRX1200 wrote:

The issue with HiPoints are that the owners are usually 16 year old gang members who stuff the pistol in their sock or pocket to conceal them and they get all gummed up with lint and dirt and they never actually clean/lube the gun. After the first or second shot, the gun jams. Usually a feed or ejection issue, though, not an ammo issues.

Also, Lorcin.

Seemed to be the only brands of handguns I ever found the not so cool kids strapping.

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Gene363
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2 years ago

#11

MidnightToker( • )( • ) wrote:

Sounds like divine intervention.

I have seen one or two in the past, but didn't know how those particular rounds were stored. That said, at the range just yesterday, my wife ejected two good rimfire rounds on the ground. Since these are greased/waxed target rounds I am not inclined to put them back in a target barrel. The range has a "DUDS" box for disposal of loaded/dud rounds. In the box was what appeared to be an unfired .308 round with a large deep round dent in the primer. Again, I do not know the story of that round but even if it was missing powder chances are it would have pushed the bullet out of the case.

I have seen reloaded rounds that took more than one hammer/striker blow to fire. If the primer was not seated properly the first strike just pushes the primer home, the second will usually get it to go off. A weak spring can also cause ignition problems. Even a really dirty chamber too.

Primers are not as sensitive as you might think. I've pushed out live primers from a damaged case to re-use them. Also some firearms like an AR have floating firing pins that will lightly strike the primer enough to show. It happens when you drop the bolt on a full magazine. AR ammunition usually feature a slightly harder primer cup for that reason. SKS and French semiautomatic rifles have that "feature"

Note: Centerfire only, many failures to fire on rimfire rounds, even rotating the case to hit another spot on the rim didn't help in some.

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ZRX1200
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2 years ago

#12

I had a piece of crap Bryco Jennings that looked exactly like those!

The other problem with HPs is the blowback slide being both as large and as heavy as a brick.

dharbolt
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2 years ago

#13

Look at what the cat drug in. Where ya been?

Abrignac wrote:

Hi Anthony! Ben a little busy with life and kids and things. Missed the banter, thought I'd come in and hang out again. How are things in your world?

Gene363
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2 years ago

#14

ZRX1200 wrote:

I love the LaRue MBT. I put a different firing pin in my 7.62x39 ARs.

SAME OVERALL LENGTH AS AR15 FIRING PIN, BUT PROTRUDES FROM BOLT SLIGHTLY MORE (~ 0.010") TO ENSURE IGNITION ON HARD PRIMERS OF IMPORTED AMMO

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Abrignac
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2 years ago

#15

Hi Anthony! Ben a little busy with life and kids and things. Missed the banter, thought I'd come in and hang out again. How are things in your world?

dharbolt wrote:

Lots of changes since we last chewed the fat. Need to catch up for sure.

danmdevries
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2 years ago

#16

Wow. a Dylan sighting

HockeyDad
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2 years ago

#17

I had a FTF once. It was a WW 2 Japanese marines BILT action rifle. Gave it to my brother. Its firing pin was worn down and needed a new one custom machined.

RobertHively
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2 years ago

#18

Op

I've had FTF's with cheap .22 ammo and a few with really old centerfire surplus ammo, and one with a newer 30-06 rifle shooting with old ammo .

Mr. Jones
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2 years ago

#19

Yes,
In my SKS...
Chinese chrome plated inside barrel...
The "floating firing pin" as mentioned above was the culprit...
I would slam load it And the firing pin left big indentations on unfired rounds...it would also shoot two or three rounds off sometimes...

Took it to an awesome VIETNAM VETERAN GUNSMITH...HE FIELD STRIP THAT ENTIRE THING IN LIKE 30-40 SECONDS...
HE FILED DOWN THE FIRING PIN LIKE SEVERAL "ONE HUNDRETHS" WITH A SPECIAL MACHINIST TOOL...WORKS LIKE A CHARM NOW....x.9

Mr. Jones
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2 years ago

#20

Also on several. 22's on numerous occasions...
In different firearms.

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