Robert Sanders 1
a year ago
Campaign contributions need to totally transparent, from individuals only, and have a maximum dollar limit per individual. Also better processes need to be put in place to remove dirty public servants at all levels of government, be they Republican or Democrat. Very damn little works for the people right now. This must change.
MACS
a year ago
Can't disagree with that. IMO "lobbyists" need to be illegal. They're just bribing politicians to do what they want.
jeebling
a year ago
I’ve got a lot of complaints about this too, as well as lobbyists as MACS mentioned. I’m not sure what is to be done though. I would be interested to follow some debates over this.
Robert Sanders 1
a year ago
Good point about lobbying. I am not sure how to address both issues. I think an additional amendment to the constitution would work, but would it get any support? As far as congress passing a bill we all know that will not happen. If there is a public watch dog group that could make this all transparent that would be a start


It seems to me the best way to go would be outing every company that is dirty with lobbying. Not buying their products and stock would be the only way to apply any pressure to them. But this feels to much like social justice, which I am not a big fan of. There are to many additional problematic consequences that go with social justice. These are just random musings on my part.
RayR
a year ago
There is good lobbying and there is bad lobbying.

Unfortunately, there are so many rent seekers (those lobbying of government to give them special privileges) that have the ears of so many politicians and bureaucrats.
MACS
a year ago

There is good lobbying and there is bad lobbying.

Unfortunately, there are so many rent seekers (those lobbying of government to give them special privileges) that have the ears of so many politicians and bureaucrats.

RayR wrote:



What's an example of "good lobbying"?
Gene363
a year ago

What's an example of "good lobbying"?

MACS wrote:



Second amendment organizations like Knife Rights, the SA Foundation, Gun Owners of America etc.
deadeyedick
a year ago

Campaign contributions need to totally transparent, from individuals only, and have a maximum dollar limit per individual. Also better processes need to be put in place to remove dirty public servants at all levels of government, be they Republican or Democrat. Very damn little works for the people right now. This must change.

Robert Sanders 1 wrote:



Citizens United v. FEC ring any bells?
Abrignac
a year ago
Relative good or bad lobbying is in the eye of the beholder. In addition the concept, in one form or another, is as old as civilization itself. It’s naive to think that people haven’t advocated since man began roaming the planet.
RayR
a year ago

What's an example of "good lobbying"?

MACS wrote:



"good lobbying" is encouraging the powers that be to protect the rights and property of all from the thieves that want to gain illicit power and plunder through political means. The conundrum is... what if the powers that be are an element of the plundering class themselves?:-k


Why Lobbying Is Legal and Important in the U.S.

By Daniel Weiser

Updated September 28, 2023
Reviewed by Michael J Boyle

In 2022 alone, lobbyists spent $4.09 billion on influencing political policy, representing the highest sum spent on lobbying since lobbying spend peaked in 2010.1 Congressional changes are providing increased opportunities for lobby groups to use political influence as a means to create productive legislation, and with an increase in lobby dollars being spent it is timely to remember both why lobbying is legal, and why lobbying is important for a productive government.

Why Is Lobbying Legal?

Lobbying is often misinterpreted or criticized as bribery, which it is not. Lobbying is a practice performed by either individuals or organizations whereby public campaigns (which are legally registered with the government) are undertaken to pressure governments into specific public policy actions. The legality of lobbying comes from the Constitution and from our participatory democracy.
First Amendment Protection

Often overlooked in the many rights protected by the 1st Amendment is the right to lobby. While never expressly using the term “lobby,” the right “to petition the Government for a redress of grievances” is specifically noted. This translates into modern times as a right to lobby, a right addressed in the U.S. Constitution.

MORE:

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/043015/why-lobbying-legal-and-important-us.asp 




Robert Sanders 1
a year ago
I think it must be all lobbying for 2 reasons. Allowing certain lobbying and no other is blatant discrimination. Also ask 1000 Americans what is good lobbying and what is bad lobbying you will get 1000 different answers. I think the RNA is bad lobbying. But this only illustrates my point. Most here think it is good lobbying, who is to make that decision? My rights are as important as yours and vice versa. I think the ACLU is good lobbying. Most here would disagree with me. Yet our constitutional rights are equal. I think we can all agree to that.
RayR
a year ago

I think it must be all lobbying for 2 reasons. Allowing certain lobbying and no other is blatant discrimination. Also ask 1000 Americans what is good lobbying and what is bad lobbying you will get 1000 different answers. I think the RNA is bad lobbying. But this only illustrates my point. Most here think it is good lobbying, who is to make that decision? My rights are as important as yours and vice versa. I think the ACLU is good lobbying. Most here would disagree with me. Yet our constitutional rights are equal. I think we can all agree to that.

Robert Sanders 1 wrote:



"our constitutional rights are equal:"? No, I don't think that's how regime politics works, I've heard ‘All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.’
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