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a year ago
"The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates that President Trump's "big, beautiful bill" would add $3.8 trillion to the federal deficit."

WSJ
HockeyDad
a year ago
3.8 trillion over ten years. It is an improvement. Biden added 2 trillion in debt per year.

Until the amount is negative, we are still in a debt death spiral as a nation. Kick the can and try to outlive the collapse.

RayR
a year ago

3.8 trillion over ten years. It is an improvement. Biden added 2 trillion in debt per year.

Until the amount is negative, we are still in a debt death spiral as a nation. Kick the can and try to outlive the collapse.

HockeyDad wrote:



True True...

The debt death spiral deniers still believe printing FED funny money and inflating will save us, but we know better.


8trackdisco
a year ago
Prefer to bring it down to more managable numbers to really get a handle on how bad it is. Making the national debt a person.

This person has a $38,000 credit card bill.

They have income, but 51% of their income goes to paying interest only on the credit card debt.

Now, their income is reduced, as they won't be taking in as much money as before.

Lastly, they agree to add another $3,800 to their credit card every year of the next ten years.

We aren't going to grow out of this. Somebody's project is going to be wrong.

It is reported Republicans (they weren't individually named in the story I saw) believe GDP will grow to be in the 4-5% range.

The General Accounting Office is guessing 1.8%.

The only time over the last 8 year where GDP approached 5% growth was when the ecomnomy was first unshackled after the height of the pandemic.

It's like being locked into the world's worst student loan, with ever diminishing prospects of it actually ever getting it reduced ever, let alone paying it off.






delta1
a year ago
here are some interesting numbers: dollars and percentage of debt increase under each president...note there a few who decreased the debt a long time ago...

https://www.investopedia.com/us-debt-by-president-dollar-and-percentage-7371225 
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Prefer to bring it down to more managable numbers to really get a handle on how bad it is. Making the national debt a person.

This person has a $38,000 credit card bill.

They have income, but 51% of their income goes to paying interest only on the credit card debt.

Now, their income is reduced, as they won't be taking in as much money as before.

Lastly, they agree to add another $3,800 to their credit card every year of the next ten years.

We aren't going to grow out of this. Somebody's project is going to be wrong.

It is reported Republicans (they weren't individually named in the story I saw) believe GDP will grow to be in the 4-5% range.

The General Accounting Office is guessing 1.8%.

The only time over the last 8 year where GDP approached 5% growth was when the economy was first unshackled after the height of the pandemic.

8trackdisco wrote:



4-5% GDP increase means more money in the economy Inflation!.

My advice to your person is to either work the debt out with a private debt reduction program or file bankruptcy. (depending on the amount of their assets and the laws of the state they live in). Hope it's not you...
deadeyedick
a year ago

Prefer to bring it down to more managable numbers to really get a handle on how bad it is. Making the national debt a person.

This person has a $38,000 credit card bill.

They have income, but 51% of their income goes to paying interest only on the credit card debt.

Now, their income is reduced, as they won't be taking in as much money as before.

Lastly, they agree to add another $3,800 to their credit card every year of the next ten years.

We aren't going to grow out of this. Somebody's project is going to be wrong.

It is reported Republicans (they weren't individually named in the story I saw) believe GDP will grow to be in the 4-5% range.

The General Accounting Office is guessing 1.8%.

The only time over the last 8 year where GDP approached 5% growth was when the ecomnomy was first unshackled after the height of the pandemic.

It's like being locked into the world's worst student loan, with ever diminishing prospects of it actually ever getting it reduced ever, let alone paying it off.






8trackdisco wrote:



It's worse than that:

As of January 2, 2025, the U.S. national debt of $36.2 trillion equates to approximately $106,024 per person living in the U.S. This figure is based on the U.S. population of roughly 332 million.
So iffn you are a family of four your share is $424,000. 🤦
Brewha
a year ago
And still Trump cuts taxes for the wealthy and their businesses.

What a Guy!
RayR
a year ago

And still Trump cuts taxes for the wealthy and their businesses.

What a Guy!

Brewha wrote:



Do you mean he didn't cut your Marxist Progressive Income Tax? 🤨
delta1
a year ago
name calling and labeling things in a pejorative manner can definitely illustrate a position in an exchange of ideas and opinions...McCarthyism?
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a year ago



The only time over the last 8 year where GDP approached 5% growth was when the ecomnomy was first unshackled after the height of the pandemic.

8trackdisco wrote:


A 4-5 increase in GDP is too much right now would cause inflation.
RayR
a year ago

name calling and labeling things in a pejorative manner can definitely illustrate a position in an exchange of ideas and opinions...McCarthyism?

delta1 wrote:



AOC and Bernie plus 95% of the DemoBolshevik Party, wouldn't say calling something "Marxist Progressive" was a "pejorative".
Anyway, I'm glad you understand my position now.

Oh!... and BTW, McCarthy was right, there are a bunch of Pinko Commies in the government

frankj1
a year ago

name calling and labeling things in a pejorative manner can definitely illustrate a position in an exchange of ideas and opinions...McCarthyism?

delta1 wrote:


asked and answered!
He's professed his love before, Al.
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a year ago

name calling and labeling things in a pejorative manner can definitely illustrate a position in an exchange of ideas and opinions...McCarthyism?

delta1 wrote:


Low self esteem causes some to try to drag others down to their level.
RayR
a year ago

asked and answered!
He's professed his love before, Al.

frankj1 wrote:



When a man is right, he's right, Frankie. no matter what your schoolboy indoctrination told you or what your FEELINGS are.


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