jrau
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a year ago
Tiver asked me for a for a little fishing tip.

A little back story- I do a lot of fishing in MN. Year round. Even a little guiding. More as a fill in when my friends are overbooked or need help.

Tiver asked about catching suspended smallmouth bass suspended over deep water. The recent tech of forward facing sonar has become the go to tool. Once found a search bait like a GT 360 to throw at them work well.

Tiver
a year ago
That's cool, but I won't be getting any live action sonar for the immediate future. I have a Garmin Echomap 93sv and an Echomap 73sv. Each came with a transducer, but the 73sv transducer is more in line with my lakes (western NY) and has preloaded Navionics +lakes, rivers for eastern US. The transducer will work with either, but the 93sv is preloaded marine and coastal Great lakes which is not my normal hunting ground. Lake Ontario is, but I prefer the Finger Lakes. I might get the Navionics card for the 93sv, but I need to learn the basics before I drop the $150

I am a complete novice with regard to these electronics. Not expecting a course on usage, but if I can figure out what I'm looking at, your search bait reference sounds like a start.

So, toss it out and time it's fall and work it back? Sounds simple ha! What's the retrieval method on a bait like that?

I have had good luck pre-spawn and early spawn from the shoreline with jig/trailer and plastics on a jig head, but as I said, once the warm weather hits it's pretty much game over so far as smallmouth. LMB are much more common from shore or in the boat, but that's probably because I'm a bit lost once trying to fish anything deeper than 12-15 feet and I tend to target into the shore and the weed edges I guess I need to start by locating them.

The SMB we get late spring are nice fish 3-5 lbs. Just looking to find them once they suspend deeper.
Jakethesnake86
a year ago
I haven’t been fishing nearly enough lately. I mainly saltwater fish flounder weakfish blue striped bass and basically whatever is biting semi local to me. A lot of the coastal fish I like to go for are obviously migratory so yeah if I have time I like to go for

My boat is an older Grady white. Chartplotters and newerish electronics (that all need updating)

Sorta prefer st croix rods with Penn reels.

Lame tip but I use live minnows pretty often while fishing I do better with two minnows on the same hook. I’m no guide by any stretch but I typically bring some stuff in on the days fishing is slow.

I just enjoy fishing I’m not really a trophy guy. Have caught a 51 pound black drum and a 43” rockfish. Think that fish weighed around 40 pounds. I have pictures but yeah I do like to fish. Believe Mac’s is an avid angler that likely knows quite a bit of offshore stuff
I’m the snake
Jakethesnake86
a year ago
I pour my own sinkers and bucktails basically have a complete set of sinker / jig molds Bought a guy out that used to sell tackle. I’ve got a ton of the do-it molds. Not everything but I have most of it

Fly tying stuff I have quite a bit. Basically I do very simple saltwater patterns. Have done some crappy jigs and that sort of thing

Following this thread to learn stuff.
I’m the snake
jrau
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a year ago

That's cool, but I won't be getting any live action sonar for the immediate future. I have a Garmin Echomap 93sv and an Echomap 73sv. Each came with a transducer, but the 73sv transducer is more in line with my lakes (western NY) and has preloaded Navionics +lakes, rivers for eastern US. The transducer will work with either, but the 93sv is preloaded marine and coastal Great lakes which is not my normal hunting ground. Lake Ontario is, but I prefer the Finger Lakes. I might get the Navionics card for the 93sv, but I need to learn the basics before I drop the $150

I am a complete novice with regard to these electronics. Not expecting a course on usage, but if I can figure out what I'm looking at, your search bait reference sounds like a start.

So, toss it out and time it's fall and work it back? Sounds simple ha! What's the retrieval method on a bait like that?

I have had good luck pre-spawn and early spawn from the shoreline with jig/trailer and plastics on a jig head, but as I said, once the warm weather hits it's pretty much game over so far as smallmouth. LMB are much more common from shore or in the boat, but that's probably because I'm a bit lost once trying to fish anything deeper than 12-15 feet and I tend to target into the shore and the weed edges I guess I need to start by locating them.

The SMB we get late spring are nice fish 3-5 lbs. Just looking to find them once they suspend deeper.

Tiver wrote:




The FFS sonar is crazy! I run Lowrance gear. HDS Live heads and the Active Target 2 (Lowrance version of LIVE) networked to work together. It is getting hard to find boats in MN without FFS. It really does change how I fish. Much more like spot and stalk hunting now. Also on the ice- I have a Glacier fish house. I can put the FFS in down mode and watch all the lines in the house on one display. We get 2 each here in MN in the winter. Then I mirror the HDS screen to my phone and share that to the TV in the fish house. Everyone in the house can watch then.

In MN we fish the smallmouth just like Walleye. Just not as deep. Generally rocks in about 20 feet of water later in the summer. Early and later in the day they will move up in less than 10 feet to feed and get super aggressive. A 1/2 to 3/4 oz hair jig is my go to in the deeper water. Generally black and blue color.
Tiver
a year ago
I am sure I have a few blue/black hair jigs. I'll be sure and give them a fair shot.

A couple years ago I started using Z-man plastics. Great stuff and practically indestructible. Only thing I don't like is when I want to fish unweighted Texas rig because all their plastic floats.

Anyone have a favorite plastic worm style of fishing? I keep meaning to spend more time wacky.
jrau
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a year ago



Anyone have a favorite plastic worm style of fishing? I keep meaning to spend more time wacky.

Tiver wrote:



Juice Baits, Billy Rub, and Authentex are what I use for plastics.
RobertHively
a year ago
I like the Nikko Hellgrammite (Natural Color) for Smallmouth. Caught my PB on it. I rig it Texas Rig style w/ a 1/0 Gamakatsu hook (Offset shank round bend) and 1/16 oz bullet weight.

BUT, over the years, my go to bait for Smallmouth has been a "4 tube. Usually "Cabin Creek" brand Green Pumpkin #96 color. Cabin Creek is no longer in business.

I rig it with an "Oldhams" weedless jig head. Usually use a 1/16 oz, but on some deeper lakes I would use 1/8th oz or even 1/4 oz if I was gonna fish really deep.

They're expensive jig heads, but they work. "All sizes have a 3/0 Mustad hook and adjustable tension wire weed guard."

Another good one for Largemouth and bigger Smallmouth is the "Yamamoto" Senko and/or "Yum" Dinger. Same lure really, Yum is just way cheaper.

I use Green Pumpkin most of the time for this lure as well. Rig it with a 3/0 Gamakatsu hook, offset shank round bend.

ZRX1200
a year ago
Haven’t even gotten my 3/0 Gamakatzu’s wet yet….
MACS
a year ago
Well... tips really depend on the fishery. Freshwater bass? Trout? Pacific? Atlantic? River? Lake? Pond?

I have been fishing since I was 9. Fished mostly freshwater for trout and bass unless I fished in Naragansett Bay for flounder or baby blues. When I got stationed in California I fell off the deep end. Ocean has much bigger fish that are way more fun to catch.

Yellowtail, yellowfin/bluefin tuna, Mahi-Mahi... live sardines. Choose a hook size that allows the sardine to swim normally, so depends on the size of the sardines. Use the lightest line you can get away with to get them to bite. Tuna and yellowtail can be line shy. If they see the line, they ain't biting.

Snapper, grouper, jacks in the Atlantic... 60-80 lb line... these MF'ers are NOT line shy at all. I usually catch my vermilions with cuttlefish and then I will try to catch a few grunts to use as live bait for the bigger fish. Circle hooks on a carolina rig for those... ensures you hook the fish in the corner of the mouth so the ones with teeth don't saw your line off.
jrau
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a year ago

Well... tips really depend on the fishery. Freshwater bass? Trout? Pacific? Atlantic? River? Lake? Pond?

I have been fishing since I was 9. Fished mostly freshwater for trout and bass unless I fished in Naragansett Bay for flounder or baby blues. When I got stationed in California I fell off the deep end. Ocean has much bigger fish that are way more fun to catch.

Yellowtail, yellowfin/bluefin tuna, Mahi-Mahi... live sardines. Choose a hook size that allows the sardine to swim normally, so depends on the size of the sardines. Use the lightest line you can get away with to get them to bite. Tuna and yellowtail can be line shy. If they see the line, they ain't biting.

Snapper, grouper, jacks in the Atlantic... 60-80 lb line... these MF'ers are NOT line shy at all. I usually catch my vermilions with cuttlefish and then I will try to catch a few grunts to use as live bait for the bigger fish. Circle hooks on a carolina rig for those... ensures you hook the fish in the corner of the mouth so the ones with teeth don't saw your line off.

MACS wrote:



No doubt those ocean fish are fun. Good eats too! I'm stuck about as far from the ocean as you can get in this country. Minnesota. I'm primarily a walleye guy. Some crappie, perch, and if I'm desperate bass. We do have Lake Superior within 2 hours of home for me. Good for Lake Trout, but that is about all. Occasionally I have snuck over to Eastern WI to Lake Michigan for salmon. I want to do a lot more of that! Not really for the fish, but for the action! We caught 60 fish in 8 hours one time. Then again i have managed 100 walleye per person in the boat in a day a few times inland fishing too.

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DrafterX
a year ago
Fishing tip..??

Always take as much beer as you can carry... 🍺
MACS
a year ago
^Excellent advice if you're fishing SoCal... fished there for years, stopped by DFG once and Customs once.

Been here in Florida for 3 years. Just about every single time on a private boat, FWC or coast guard wants to do a "safety" inspection. If everyone on the boat has been drinking... captain is going to jail. Anyone who has NOT had a drink? He's the captain.
ZRX1200
a year ago
Well…..


Florida Man.


😟
MACS
a year ago
True... true... 😟

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