Not perfect. Alright.

It's a tough position for you to be in. I take it (and might be wrong- and I won't be embarrassed by it) you are still Team Trump first.

On the other hand, Elon wants bigger and deeper cuts.

Thoughts?

8trackdisco wrote:

I'll try this again........ You asked me to define "Rich". I did that, as a starting point for a conversation. An exchange of ideas.

You took that, made the Democrat comment..... record scratch. At that point, I guessed we were done.

It was a starting point for "rich". You could agree with that assessment or share your own.

It wasn't a policy.
It wasn't a cure all.

It was an opportunity to exchange thoughts, ideas, see what commonailty we had. Agree and disagree without being disagreeable or outright hostile.

You've passed on the opportunity, so let's get back in the gutter.

8trackdisco wrote:

Elon is right. When the big beautiful bill passed, we are still in the doom loop. I’m OK with that. I am pro-kick-the-can.

HockeyDad wrote:

Elon is right and you accept Trump's budget, the doom loop, and kicking the can. That is quite a Elon\Trump\Traditional Republican hybrid mindset. This is your golden age. Unexpected capitulation.

Time to look for something shiny.

8trackdisco wrote:

I don’t see you volunteering for the austerity tax plan I laid out above. You’re perfectly fine with kicking the can down.

Here’s a scenario for you: Imagine if you put money away in a 401K for many years and then when you go to withdraw it, the tax rate you pay on it is more than when you originally saved it. Wouldn’t that be a fine how-do-you-do?

HockeyDad wrote:

would have been really nice if the people that voted for the "big beautiful bill" had actually read it before voting... funny now to see so many of them say they didnt know certain things were in it...

as far as doge is concerned... still not legitamte and still a complete waste of money and chaos for the sake of chaos...

drglnc wrote:

Does anyone read them? Makes me wonder who assigns whom to do the actual writing.

It's is just a less obscene version of Pelosi in 2010.... "We have to pass it to see what is in it."

I disagree on DOGE, to an extent. The Fire, Fire, Fire, Aim is Optional thing is pathetic. Same with cutting too many people and then finding out they are needed back. This tactic is equally ineefective when getting a haircut.

Musk was applying what apparently works in his business ventures. Success is success, if you are going to fail, fail forward. Apply the lessons you learn and continue to fail better. It's a Growth Mindset on speed.

My main issue with DOGE is the math.

Within the first 6 weeks(?) DOGE found something like 150 billion in waste. Later, 180 (which was then revised back to 170 billion).

So my dumb arse is expecting 170 billion in cuts to show up n the BBB. Instead, there is only 9 billion removed in it,

Was the other 161 billion a mistake, and went back to where it was cut? There really isn't 150, 170 or 180 billion saved?

8trackdisco wrote:

So 24 hours later, you care again? Am having a hard time following.
-Elon is right, we need to make more and deeper cuts.
-Trump is right, he's got to get the BBB across the line (even though it adds significantly to the debt).

Then you follow up with being okay with the Death Loop and Can Kicking.

Now back to austerity?

Is this Le Hockeydad, Le Flooding Le Zone?

8trackdisco wrote:

You do not have a hard time following. You have a hard time finding $1.83 trillion a year in tax increases or spending cuts.

HockeyDad wrote:

[.. It's is just a less obscene version of Pelosi in 2010.... "We have to pass it to see what is in it."

... I disagree on DOGE, to an extent. The Fire, Fire, Fire, Aim is Optional thing is pathetic. Same with cutting too many people and then finding out they are needed back. This tactic is equally inefective (sic) when getting a haircut.

...My main issue with DOGE is the math....

Within the first 6 weeks(?) DOGE found something like 150 billion in waste. Later, 180 (which was then revised back to 170 billion)

8trackdisco wrote:

-Stop the school lunch program is the summer time. Once the school year is over, so is the school lunch program. It restarts when the next school year starts.

8trackdisco wrote:

You've made is clear- there is no way out making enough cuts. I've leaned from experience, anything I put up, you'll just crap on as too little, too late.

Here's a couple biscuits you can quickly dismiss.

-For each person here illegally, when they are deported, their assets are frozen, and when thawed, goes toward paying off the debt.

-Stop the school lunch program is the summer time. Once the school year is over, so is the school lunch program. It restarts when the next school year starts.

Now the practical application and how those dollars would go to reducing debt- I have no idea.

How much did I just save?


Btw, you are still running in three or four directions at the same time. You've got a little bit of the Trump speeding around like a gnat on meth.

8trackdisco wrote:

We didn't get free food in da summer when I was a kid... I didn't starve... 😟

DrafterX wrote:

We didn't get free food in da summer when I was a kid... I didn't starve... 😟

DrafterX wrote:

agreed, its the summer... let them kids starve...

drglnc wrote:

Now you see why I say kick the can down the road. Finding 1.83 trillion in spending cuts or new taxes is hard. You barely tried and went down like LeBron!

HockeyDad wrote:

Sadly i have first hand knowledge of kids in my area that if it wasnt for charity of friends they would... we found out several years ago my daughters best friend only had 2 meals a day. the free breakfast and lunch she got at school. luckily at the time the schools here also had food packs for kids in the summer, they could pick it up on monday and it would be food for the week. many times we had to take her to get it because her mohter wouldnt or couldnt... we would also supliment with additional items.

drglnc wrote: