ehjr
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Monday, October 9, 2000 2:13:00 PM
ok, i've been curious about these for a while now. finally got one coming, kind of a steep price for curiosity.... my question, has anyone ever smoked one of these??? If so, did you smoke each one individually or all three at once wrapped together out of the box.. i think i know the answer, but just wanted to hear what everyone else hear has to say... i know i am going to get drilled on this one, but oh well...
rookie139
Monday, October 9, 2000 4:44:00 PM
I myself have never smoked one, but I do know you're supposed to smoke them separately (one at a time)and according to what I've read about them, they originated from the rollers themselves being allowed to take three cigars home every day, so supposedly they would roll three panatelas up into one cigar (creating the culebra, or "snake" in Spanish) and therefore, be able to take more cigars home than alloted
hegemonic
Monday, October 9, 2000 7:52:00 PM
Actually the three they could take home from the factory is the culebra (that would be one culebra). The reason they are wrapped like that is to differentiate it from the ones that the factory sells on the market, to make sure that the worker would not re-sell them as first-rate products of the factory.
rookie139
Monday, October 9, 2000 9:58:00 PM
Ah I was close enough..Thanks for the additional info Heg 🙂..BTW, I have had problems emailing you, comes back as "Undeliverable"...???
hegemonic
Monday, October 9, 2000 10:51:00 PM
Yeah rookie139, close, but no culebra 😉

For some unknown reason, that email thing happened to CL as well. You can try [email protected] (it's the same address as the geocities one). Thanks 🙂

rookie139
Monday, October 9, 2000 11:15:00 PM
I'll try that one...Here's more information about the culebra, and briefly talks about at the end of the "story" of the three cigars/one culebra a day to a torcedor...Sounds like it may be untrue...I have no idea...Taken from Cigars Limited/Hunter and Frankau, London: "Culebras in Spanish means snakes. It comprises of three cigars twisted together tightly in a spiral fashion. It first appeared in the Philippines circa mid-Nineteenth Century. That is probably why almost all major Philippine’s cigar manufacturers are still producing them. It was created based on the theory that a thicker cigar can mature better. The culebras were designed to enable a small ring gauge cigar to mature as well as a thick ring gauge cigar.

The culebras is considered by the Philippine’s cigar industry as a form of packaging rather than an individual size. That is why Perelman’s Pocket Cyclopedia of Cigars failed to obtain one single entry from the Philippine’s cigar manufacturers.

This form of packaging slowly spread to the cigar industries in other countries. The Cubans were never keen to buy this theory and so very few culebras were manufactured. The Cubans treated them as a ‘gimmick’ rather than for a useful purpose. They never took them seriously and all post-Revolutionary made ones were machine mades. The Caney, H. Upmann, Hoyo, Romeos, and Partagas were the only factories which had produced them. They are all extremely rare. At the moment, the only brand which still makes them (in very limited quantities) is the Partagas.

They are just ordinary machine mades and you should not expect to taste anything particular. They are not designed to be anyway.

They should be smoked one at a time. But for some people who have a big mouth and enjoy brandishing all three in the same big mouth, why not smoke all three at the same time? They are made for ‘fun’ anyway. This practice can now be officially declared as not ‘ridiculous’ . In the semi-official Cuban book ‘Epicure Guide to the Habano’ by Jose Ilario (Epicur Publicaciones S.L. 1999), the entry on Partagas Culebras reads like this : “Do not worry about them being plaided together, you will be surprised how well they draw and at their excellent combustion. The very daring may also smoke the three at the same time.”

It is also interesting that in recent years a very popular ‘story’ goes around about the culebras like this : “In the old days cigar rollers were only rationed three small cigars a day for personal consumption. To prevent rollers stealing the cigars they rolled for smoking, one culebra was rationed to a roller per day. As the cigars were twisted, rollers who stole their productions for smoking would be easily spotted.” The maker of this story seemed to have overlooked the fact that a cigar roller can twist their cigars they make into any form they like. This story is just a kind of the many psuedo-intellects ‘discovered’ during the American ‘cigar boom’ of the ‘90s."

unklebill
Tuesday, October 10, 2000 7:42:00 AM
Thank you for finally identifying the Psuedo-intellects among us!
hegemonic
Tuesday, October 10, 2000 9:20:00 AM
First of all, the Filipino language is "Tagalog". It incorporates Spanish words because of Spain's colonial rule in the Phillipines, BUT if the Filipinos named the culebra, it would have been called an "ahas" or "ulupong" since these are the Tagalog words for snake. So I doubt the culebra's origin in the Phillipines, especially with the theory that the Phillipines made quality cigars! "It was created based

on the theory that a thicker cigar can mature better." -Hunter and Frankau, CIGARS LIMITED. I'm 1/2 Filipino (first-generation in the U.S.) and I shamefully admit that I have yet to find a Filipino cigar that I enjoy, to find a Filipino cigar that I'd call an example of a quest for quality. It's hilarious that a person would call someone a "psuedo" intellectual when he spells the word pseudo incorrectly 🙂 I guess I have to give sources now for my information shared (I thought I was out of college) Anyway, these following quotes are both from the asc (alt.smokers.cigars) newsgroup - I guess you can find the rest of us "psuedo" intellectuals over there 😉 "They were (supposedly) named after the Culebra river in Panama. The river twists and turns (or did, most of it is submerged in the lakes of the Canal now) so much that it was said to be braided on itself. The river became famous during the French efforts to dig the Canal. It's wild flow was one of the major reasons the French failed, and the mudslides in what was called the "culebra cut" were another..." -Charles Schofield [email protected] posted 3/5/1999 ALSO: "I read that Culebra (that means snake in Spanish) originates from the days that the factory workers were allowed to take home some cigars for their personal use. The factory owners or supervisors noticed that they started to take the best cigars, and leaving the poorer ones for the production line. To ensure that the workers only got the quality that the factory wanted,

they started to entangle them in that fashion." -Stein Norem Wisted [email protected] posted 3/4/1999 And that concludes my report for today, reminding you all, "Just because something is published, does not necessarily make it true". -that's by me 🙂 I thank you all for listening to my rant 🙂

rookie139
Tuesday, October 10, 2000 11:35:00 AM
Hey!...I didn't call you guys "pseudo-intellects"...The article did, which incidentally came from the same source as Heg's article, "Cigars Limited (Hunter & Frankau)...Just thought you would be interested in it 🙂
hegemonic
Tuesday, October 10, 2000 8:23:00 PM
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/kcscigaraficionados  . Thanks for the invite. You guys (and e-chick of course) should all join too (but you must not abandon this board) 🙂
penzt8
Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:04:00 AM
As interesting and well researched as the previous explanations appear to be, I have it on good authority that the "culebra" was actually first introduced on the Island of Culebra, Puerto Rico. Legend has it that the local torcedores would be permitted to roll a cigar for their own enjoyment each afternoon. One of the torcedores, a Filipino immigrant nicknamed Ulupong is credited with the invention of the "culebra". Ulupong, who was quite the ladies-man and rather well endowed (thus the nickname) liked to smoke a cigar after his encounters with the beautiful young women of the island. Since he was quite virile, he preferred to smoke a thin cigar that would allow him sufficient time to rest between his love making sessions yet allow him to return his attentions to his female companions in a timely manner. One day, Ulupong anticipated an exceptionally active evening and rolled three thin cigars to take home when he was finished rolling for the day. Fortunately for all of us, his supervisor observed Ulupong as he slipped the three cigars into his shirt pocket. While sitting at his rolling table, Ulupong noticed that his supervisor was walking toward him. Expecting his superior to question him about the cigars, Ulupong removed the three cigars from his pocket and began to twist them nervously beneath his table. When his supervisor confronted him, Ulupong produced the cigars from beneath the table and to his amazement; the three cigars were completely interwoven. His supervisor examined the cigar and asked what he called the curious design. Seeing an opportunity for recognition, he declared that it was called an "Ulupong". His supervisor thought it was a bit too arrogant to name a cigar after a lowly torcedor and decided the new design would be known as a "Culebra" to bring recognition to the tiny island. Today, the culebra is rolled in many countries and enjoyed around the world thanks to the over active libido of one man. Ulupong, we salute you!
ehjr
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Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:32:00 PM
WOW, all that history.... thanks... expecially since i just wanted to know how i should smoke the thing and if anyone else ever has... again, thanks...
Huminie
Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:42:00 PM
This is how you are supposed to smoke it!

http://sites.netscape.net/smokinpoker/Mvc-008f.jpg 

All three at once!! (Yes, that is an out of production ISOM Partagas Culebra.) It is not really intended to be smoked like this, but as you can see, it can be. This is not me in the pic, but I think it is cool.

hegemonic
Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:37:00 PM
OH MY GOD!!! penzt8, that is the f'n funniest post I've seen in a long time! Sounds like one of those Budweiser "Great American Heroes" radio spots! We salute you, Mr. Pickled Pig's Feet Eater! 🙂 Too f'n funny!
rookie139
Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:54:00 AM
I especially like the shirt that the guy is wearing in the pic!....LMAO!...You guys/gals gotta check it out!
jcrimmins
Thursday, October 12, 2000 3:37:00 PM
IMO, you're all a bunch of long winded SOB's!!!! My cigar went out three times while I tried to read and decipher these ungodly posts. I'm leaving and taking my football with me!
penzt8
Saturday, April 10, 2004 12:58:00 PM
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Schmitty22
Tuesday, April 13, 2004 7:22:00 AM
lol..

1st i am glad someone asked this question finally. I wondered the same. Thanks for the info.

2nd - "my cigar went out 3 times reading this thread" is the funniest comment and most true i have seen here. was true and was too funny.

TubeDoc
Tuesday, April 13, 2004 9:34:00 AM
Now I'm confused. I can't tell my Pseudo-Sh*t from the Psuedo-shinola 😉

Nice going penzt8. Hands down the best peice of work since I've been reading these treads.

Doc

arwings
Tuesday, April 13, 2004 3:05:00 PM
LMAO at pentz8..............BTW, you wouldn't happen to be in politics, now would you...............????